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HomeMy WebLinkAbout86121 - MINUTES - City Commission • 0 ® MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING, CITY COMMISSION, CITY OF DANIA, FLORIDA, HELD JULY 6, 1965. The City Commission of the City of Dania, Florida, met in' Regular Session in the Commission Room at the City Hall. • Present were: MAYOR-COMMISSIONER FRANK SALVINO COMMISSIONERS ROBERT L. GRAMMER VERA L. HILL S. ELLIS YOUNG CARL ZENOBIA CITY ATTORNEY CLARKE WALDEN • CITY MANAGER LESTER CULVERSON BUILDING::INSPECTOR CHARLES LINDEMAN CHIEF OF POLICE MONTIE SMITH CITY CLERK MARY THORNHILL - • The meeting was called to order at 8:00 P.M. by Mayor Salvino. 1. Minutes of meeting held June 21, 1965 to be approved. A motion was made by Commissioner Young to approve the minutes as read. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Grammer, and • the roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows: Grammer Yes Hill Yes Young Yes Zenobia Yes , Salvino Yes • 2. Application for transfer of 2 COP License: From Jewell Lee McNeal to Leo Brezial, Val's Drive Inn, 520 Stirling Road. (Second Reading) A motion was made by Commissioner Zenobia to approve the transfer • on second reading. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Young, and the roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows: Grammer Yes Hill Yes Young Yes • 'Zenobia Yes Salvino Yes. 3. Causeway Hotel Corporation, 1819i.S.E. 17th Street, Fort Lau- derdale. Request for change of. zoning of certain properties located in Section 2-51-42 to ,:allow the construction of a gas station and a-theme amusement park." Mayor Salvino: This is' a- joint meeting with the Planning and Zoning Board • Mr. Loury, Chairman of Planning 6 Zoning Board: Mr. Mayor, may we open our meeting now.so that we can make this legal? 1 Mayor Salvino: Yes. Mr. Loury asked for roll call, and those present were as follows: CHAIRMAN HARRY LOURY MEMBERS NICK DI MAURO JOHN KENNEDY JANICE PANELLA WILLIAM TANNER BUILDING INSPECTOR CHARLES LINDEMAN ZONING CONSULTANT LUTHER SPARKMAN Mr. Weston, Attorney for Causeway Hotel Corporation, spoke on behalf of the application that "has been filed.. Mr. Weston • ® requested that the Zoning Board waive further notice on this matter and to refer it to the City Commission. «i Mr. Loury asked if Mr. Weston could give the Zoning Board a letter on this gas station. Mr. Weston read the letter as follows: "For and in consideration of $10.00 and other valuable considerations in hand paid by your undersigned, receipt of which is hereby acknowledged, your undersigned agrees that if the requested zoning be changed to C-1 is granted • by the City of Dania to the N 150 feet of the S 250 feet of the W 150 feet and the E� of the SFk of the SW' of the S4 of Section 2, Township 51, South Range 42 East, Broward County Florida. The construction of the gas station on said site will not be commenced until the construction of a theme amusement park is commended on the adjacent Qroperty referred to in the application, for the above requested zoning change to C-1. In witness whereof Causeway Hotel Corporation set hand in seal the 6th day July, :1965, signed on behalf of Causeway Hotel Corporation by Mr.' C. T. Robertson; Vice Presidents" • Mr. Weston asked if there were any questions they could answer concerning the Theme Amusement Park. He stated that Mr. Anderson of the company with us this evening. Mr. Loury asked what portion is going to be in Hollywood and what portion in Dania. Mr. Anderson answered that they have approximately 20-some acres in the City-of-.,Hollywood, the balance (about 36 acres)in the City of Dania. The majority of the• 20=some acres in Hollywood will be used for parking; the balance', which will-be the theme park, will be in the City of Dania. Mayor Salvino asked, when it is advertised, will it be advertised City of Hollywood or City of Dania? Mr. Anderson answered that it would have to be advertised City of Dania, because it will be in the City of Dania. • Mr. Tanner asked how do they hold the land, is it under contract or do they have to buy it. Mr. Weston answered that it is under contract. • Mr. Loury asked if it is under option now. Mr. Weston answered "Yes". Mr. Kennedy asked, in the event they are given permission to go ahead with the park, how soon would they contemplate construction. • Mr. Anderson replied that they have retained the same firm that did the research for Disneyland as well as Six Slags in Texas. As soon as they complete their research, which would be a matter of 60 days, they then will start construction. • Mr. Kennedy asked if we give them a grant for 3 months or 90 days they could begin construction. He asked if they have the preliminary work set. Mr. Anderson replied there is no question about it He requested. however that they give them 30 days or 60 days beyond that because • there may be some delays in the program. He stated that they have a target date, subject to zoning _and everything else, of opening up July 1, 19661. -2 W:-: 4+ ® Mr. Tanner asked what period of time would they be content with. Mr. Anderson answered 150 days would be adequate. This would give them 90 days beyond the period of time when they actually anticipate starting construction. ® Mrs. Panella stated that she understood that it was going to be built in phases; she asked what are the plans for the first phase. Mr. Anderson answered that the first phase is going to be to build what they call the "mountain" . • Mayor Salvino asked what section of Dania will it be in. Mr. Anderson replied about 2000 lineal feet to the West of West Lake on Sheridan. Mr. Loury suggested that someone should make a motion to waive the hearing before the Planning & Zoning Board. Mr. Tanner made a motion to waive the hearing. Mr. Loury suggested that a copy of the letter (re the Gas Station) should be submitted, ,this to be included in the motion. • Mr. Sparkman stated that he thought the motion was out of order at the present time as they haven't decided what type of zoning use they have on this property, and there are other properties that have to be zoned at the same time. It will be a zoning change or a zoning vari- ance. • City Attorney Walden stated that he didn't think B-3 zoning would per- mit an amusement park; B-3 is not designed for that. He suggested they create a new zoning category., Mr. Loury stated that there is a motion on the floor. He asked for • a second to that motion. The motion was seconded by Mr. Kennedy. Commissioner Young stated that in a change of zoning they have the right to waive the public hearing; however, where a variance is con- cerned, he didn't believe that they have the right to waive the public hearing. Attorney Walden stated that on a variance the Zoning Board should have a hearing. He suggested that they have a true joint meeting where the five members of the Zoning Board and the five members of the Commission discuss this as one body. At this point Mr. Tanner withdrew his motion and Mr. Kennedy with- drew his second. Commissioner Grammer asked if there was any kind of drawing to show the exact location; that is what he would like to look into. Mr. Weston pointed out the approximate location on the wall map. Attorney Walden stated that the Zoning Board should have some kind Yi of a hearing on it before the Commission can grant the variance, but they have to have some detailed plans of what they are trying to do. He stated that he didn't think a variance was the proper way of doing it. He suggested that they create a new zoning sate - gory. He stated that it would seem to him that the Zoning Board ` would have to make some study as to what should be in that cate- gory. Mr. Loury stated that he thought the gentlemen should come up with some kind of a plan that is acceptable, as far as parking .is con- cerned, and just an over-all picture of just what they want. ® Mr. Anderson stated that what they wish tonight is a feeling and a thought and an expression out of the Zoning Board and the City Commission that they would give them the proper zoning, subject to the City developing the restrictions that the City would nor- mally have under an amusement parka He stated that, without the expression that the City would grant such a variance, subject to • these restrictions, they could not proceed. Mr. Loury stated that at this time he would like to poll his board and asked that all those in favor of this project please raise their hands. He then stated that they had unanimous vote from the Zoning Board. • Commissioner Young stated that he will be more than glad to co-oper- ate in such a venture providing the proper and adequate requirements are met. Mr. Loury again stated that the Zoning Board would like to waive • their hearing in order to expedite the matter. Commissioner Zenobia asked if it would be possible for Mr. Anderson to bring the scale model to the hearing, or possibly pictures of it. Mr. Anderson answered that it, in itself, doesn't tell too much of • the story; because, after they get the company to do the program for them it may change a little. He asked if it was possible to get a statement tonight from the Zoning Board that they would approve a theme park subject to the restrictions which Mr. Walden would de- velop as to set backs and so forth? • Attorney Walden answered no. Commissioner Zenobia replied that they have to have a public hearing first. Mr. Loury invited Mr. Anderson and Mr. Weston to attend the meeting • of the Planning and Zoning Board on Tuesday, July 13; and come up with some answers at that time. At this point the meeting of the Planning and Zoning Board adjourned and the members departed. • 4. Bills to be approved for payment: GOODWIN, INC. Periodic Estimate #5 $37,090.14 • ':. City Manager Culverson recommended the bill be paid, A motion was made by Commissioner Young that the bill be paid. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Hill, and the roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows: •. ' ' Grammer Yes Hill Yes Young Yes Zenobia Yes Salvino Yes i• ' M B CONSTRUCTION COMPANY Periodic Estimate #5 $151,032.85 City Manager Culverson recommended the bill be paid. rn Commissioner Zenobia asked if the bill was approved by the Engineer. City Manager Culverson read the letter •of approval from Mr. Philpott. J ® A motion was made by Commissioner Zenobia to pay the bill. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Young. Commissioner Grammer asked on the extras that M.B. is supposed to pay back to the City, such as the broken water mains, replacing the water mains, is this company paying the City? City Manager Culverson answered that, up to the first of last month, we have collected 18 hundred and some-odd dollars. He added that he thought the entire bill would be somewhere around $2,000 they will have paid the City. The roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows: Grammer Yes Hill Yes Young Yes Zenobia Yes Salvino Yes PHILPOTT, ROSS b SAARINEN Engineering Services Estimate #5 $3,292.87 Commissioner Young asked if it had the approval of the Engineer. City Manager Culverson answered that it did. A motion was made by Commissioner' Young ,to pay the bill. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Hill, and the roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows: Grammer Yes Hill Yes Young Yes Zenobia Yes Salvino Yes Commissioner Zenobia stated that the next time they get paid he would like to know how much they have coming to them and how much they have been paid to date. 8. Ordinance: :Regulating the hours of sale of liquor, beer and wine, and concerning night. club licenses. (Second Reading City Attorney Walden read the ordinance entitled: AN ORDINANCE RATIFYING AND CONFIRMING SECTION 17-29 of c the Code of Ordinances of City of Dania, Florida, as amended by Ordinance No. 420 of City of Dania, Florida, with respect to regulations concerning the hours of sale of liquor, beer or wine consumed upon the premises and by package, bottle or container; and ratifying and con- firming section 1 of ordinance No. 474 of City of Dania,' Florida. A motion was made by Commissioner Hill to pass the ordinance on second reading. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Young, ' and the roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows: Grammer No Hill Yes Young Yes y" Zenobia I have thought this over quite a bit, and I Gantt see penalizing the good places in town that stay open until 4:00 because of a few bad ones, so I am going to have to vote No ` '. Salvino No Motion not carried. . �'is ® 5. Report from City Manager: City Manager Culverson read a letter from the FEC Railroad, in regards to the unprotected crossing at N.W. 5th Street, which was supposed to Pe paid by the City of Dania. A motion was made by Commissioner Zenobia to refer the matter to the City Manager, Chief of Police, and Fire Chief. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Hill, and the roll being called, the commissioners voted as follows: Grammer Yes • Hill Yes Young Yes' Zenobia Yes Salvino Yes Mr. Houston stated that several years ago the City had an agree- ment with FEC on the crossing on loth Street, whereby the County and the City and the FEC would participate in the cost. He asked if the City had ever been reimbursed for their portion in that. City Clerk Thornhill stated that the City only paid their portion of that. Mr. Houston asked what the entire cost was, to which all replied they didn't know. Mr. Houston stated that it should be looked into. If no one knows the entire cost of it, how, could you figure a third of it. Commissioner Zenobia stated that he would look into it in the morn- ing. City Manager Culverson stated that, after considerable discussion with the City Clerk, we want to recommend the Automatic Voting Machine for the City of Dania, based on a three year payment plan: It was $1,599.00 per machine, for 7 machines; total $11,193.00. First year would be $3,731.00; second year $3,731.00 with interest which would be $361.17; and the third year would be $3,731.00 with interest of $391.76. The total is $11,584.76, based on a three- year payment plan. A motion was made by Commissioner Young to accept the recommendation of the City Manager and the City Clerk. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Zenobia, and the roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows: Grammer Yes Hill Yes Young Yes Zenobia Yes Salvino Yes EQ . Report from City Attorney: Attorney Walden stated that he didn't have anything, but Mr. Lindeman gave to him something about a variance permit as a result of a spe- cial Zoning Board meeting. He then asked Mr. Lindeman to explain it to the Commission. Mr. Lindeman stated that on June 25th the.Zoning Board had a special_ meeting for a variance for Mrs. Dunn. To expedite things, they re- commended that their hearing be waived:and the City Commission have their hearing as soon as possible. It is a 5 foot set back instead of a 15 foot set back. s* City Attorney Walden stated that it didn't make any sense; that the Zoning Board should have their hearing and the Commission could waive it. -6- w� • 0 ® Mr. Loury asked if it was possible to have a joint hearing. Attorney Walden stated that it was possible if the Commission is willing to. Commissioner Zenobia suggested that they set up a date for a ® hearing for the Zoning Board. A motion was made by Commissioner Zenobia to allow the Zoning Board to have a public hearing on July 27.th, 7:45 P.M. .The motion was seconded'by Commissioner Young, and the roll being called, .the Commissioners voted as follows: • Grammer Yes Hill Yes Young Yes Zenobia Yes Salvino Yes • 7• Correspondence: A letter:.was read. by Attorney Walden re paving of 7th Street, and in reference to a petition about same. • City Clerk Thornhill stated that this letter was received after the agenda was closed, therefore it did not appear on the agenda. A motion was made by Commissioner Zenobia to advertise for ob- jections to this paving for August 2nd, 1965, at 8:10 P.M. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Young, and the roll being called, .the Commissioners voted as follows: Grammer Yes Hill Yes Young Yes Zenobia Yes • Salvino Yes Chief Lassiter: There was an article in the papers tonight that I don't quite understand, and I would like to have it clarified. The Sun-Tattler said that firemen are answering calls on their off-time. The statement was made by the City Manager. I don't • quite understand what it was, but it was in the. paper, and it was read by everybody in town, so I would like to have it clarified and discuss it and see what it is. City Manager Culverson: I think I can discuss it, Chief. We have an old ordinance on the books, I haven't the ordinance books with d• me at the present time, but it is downstairs and I .can yet it. It said "all firemen are to receive certain compensation for attending a fire.:' That was primarily drawn for the Volunteer Fire Department. And since thatc.section of that ordinance we have got a full-time fire department. Now you will look at the monthly reports on there and you will see where our firemen are getting paid, our full-t#e firemen, who draws a salary in the City of Dania, are getting paid for volunteer runs. And I went to the City Attorney and I asked him if he thought we could revise the ordinance to separate the volunteer fire department from the City paid fire department, be- cause, if you want a reason I will giire you the reason, because I could not see City firemen, who are on a full-time pay scale, get- ting paid for the Volunteer fire runs. SM other words, as far as I am concerned, it is going through the back door to get money. In your case, for example, Chief, as long as you brought it up, you drew approximately $60.00 last month on the Volunteer Fire Department, and you are a 63-hundred dollar-a-year employee. At >_ the same time, there sits the Chief of Police. . . . .wait a second, I am explaining it, then you explain it. . . . .there is the Chief of Police who is getting 63-hundred dollars and is not drawing a penny more. There is the City Clerk who is drawing 63-hundred dollars -7- Y�. • ® and not getting a penny more. But you, on the other hand, are drawing anywhere up to 5 or 6-hundred dollars a year more for your services. I just cannot see it. I think it should be re- vised, the ordinance should be revised, and if we are not paying enough then the Council, or the City Commission, should raise your wages. But I can't see going through the back door to get wages • off the Volunteer fire department funds. Chief Lassiter: This doesn't just concern the Fire Chief, now. Let me explain something about the operation of the Fire Depart- ment and, I shouldnTt have to explain. First of all, the Volun= teer firemen get paid per call. The paid firemen get paid a • salary for working on the job 60 hour* a week. When we have a fire alarm we have to have those paid men come in and answer a fire alarm because they are the drivers and the pump operators and engineers in this fire department. They are the only qual- ified men and they are the only men that the City can hold re- sponsible for that high-priced equipment down there and the • operation of it and the care of it. Now I know of no way, if you have got a way to do it I am not against it, but I know of no way that you can compel a 'fireman on his off-day to come in here for a routine call. I don't know of any -law that is on the books in any city or state that I have:had anything to do with . anywhere that can calla man in except on an unusual emergency. • That is the general law all over the country on unusual emergen- cies the emergency personnel, which are Police and Firemen, are called in and some arb compensated and some are not. But ours are not acting on their off-time as firemen answering unusual emergencies, they are answering routine calls. And'we have to have them to protect the City. To protect the Cities property, • as such., it belongs to the City and the City Taxpayer property. City Manager Culverson: In that case, Chief, I would rather see adequate full-time men on the job and dispense with the volunteer fire department completely. We are either going to have one, as far as I am concerned, we are either going to have one or we have • the other. We either raise your wages or we let. . .as far as I am concerned it is through a back door, and no matter which way you look at it it is through a back door getting money. There is no reason in the world, as far as I am concerned, that you should draw $60 a month, or 'roughly $60 a month. . . • Chief Lassiter: Please say "firemen", don't just say me. City Manager Culverson: Well, you are the one who brought it up. Chief Lassiter: I didn't bring it up, you put it in the paper without discussing it with me .or anybody. These things are sup- posed to be discussed before they are made public property. City Manager Culverson: Let me go a little step further then, if you want to talk about discussion, Chief. You have a City Manager in this town whether you like him or whether you don't like him. Two men from your Fire Department) one Volunteer and one Regular man, went to a convention. They got $150 apiece. Chief Lassiter: From who? City Manager Culverson: From the volunteer fire department. They got $150 apiece, and while they were gone, the 5th, 6th, 7th and • Bth, they were paid $24 apiece in the City of Dania for never answering a fire call when they were in Jacksonville. Chief Lassiter: That's right. They were representing the City. . . }; - City Manager CulversoN: Just a minute. The point is you _say you • never talked it over. But you never talked it over with me whether you should give them that $24 apiece. I -8 Mayor Salvino: Mr. Culverson, we have been doing that every time ® we have a convention, this has been for the past many years. City Manager Culverson: Mr. Mayor, I know that two rights don't make a wrong. Mayor Salvino: We are not going to change it right now, they have • been paid every year. City Manager Culverson: Two rights don't make 'a wrong, and there is nothing on the books that says that they get this here pay. Chief Lassiter: That has been the procedure here since before I A came here and before any members of the fire department came here. City Manager Culverson: In that case, Mr. Mayor, I suggest that every time Montie Smith goes out on a call.. . . Mayor Salvino: Forget about the Police Department, we are talking • about the Fire Department right now. City Manager Culverson: Well right is right. Mayor Salvino: We're talking about the Fire Department, forget about Montie Smith. Commissioner Grammer: Now wait a minute—let's don't compare one department to the other. Now we are talking about the fire depart- ment. Let's don't get a hassle started between the Police and the Fire Department. Let's stick to the fire department. This compar- ing back and forth, you are going to get bad relations between the • firemen and every other thing. Let's talk about the fire department. Commissioner Young: I don't think so, if you are attempting to give a parallel, I think that. . . Commissioner Grammer:`'? We::aren.',t;:attempting.'to doethat. • Commissioner Young: We're not? Commissioner Grammer: No. Commissioner Young: Well the gentleman over there was until he was • interrupted. He is completely out of order to start with. Mayor Salvino: I am not out of order. Commissioner Young: Youlre not? • Mayor Salvino: No sir. I am not out. of order. Commissioner Young: When the gentleman over there has the floor? . Mayor Salvino: Yes sir. When he starts mentioning Police Department and Fire Department he is out of order.. We are talking about the Fire • Department only. We are not talking about the Police Department. Commissioner Zenobia: Mr. Mayor, can.I jump into this a minute? Mayor Salvino: Yes sir. • Commissioner Zenobia: I would like to suggest, 'everybody is a little hot here tonight, I would like to suggest that the Police and Fire Committee take this under consideration and bring us back anaanswer at the .next meeting. Because the way; it is going right now, there is going to be a lot of fur flying around_here, and everybody is going to be sorry for what they say. • Mayor Salvino: I'm not sorry for what I'm saying. _9- U Commissioner Zenobia: I don't think it is right to start dragging this guy into it and the other guy into it. Take it through the regular channels first. Commissioner Grammer: I don't see any need for it. It has been the policy in this city for a long time, and we are following the • policy out; we do it in a lot of things. ' Why start all this has- sle,, this thing has been going on for years. Commissioner Young: Where is your basis for the public policy that is established? What is the date, and who made it, and where is it on the"records? ® Commissioner Grammer: You just said it was on the record. He said it was an ordinance. City Manager Culverson: It is not an ordinance. All I asked for, since you brought it up, was a revision of the Fire Ordinance to • separate the pay scale of the paid firemen from the volunteers. Nobody is after the fire Chief whatsoever. I think they should be paid. Chief Lassiter: May I ask who you asked? • City Manager Culverson: What are you talking about, John. Chief Lassiter: You said that's all you asked for, . . . . City Manager Culverson: I am asking the Commission, Chief. So far they're my boss. You don't happen to be. Chief`Lassiter: If you have got a question about things that should be changed it is part of my business, there should be a discussion before it goes to the newspapers. Commissioner Young: Why? Then the newspapers will say it was a • secret meeting. You didn't ask for a private discussion before you came up tonight, John. Chief Lassiter: I had to come up. Commissioner Young: You didn't have to come up.. .if you we<nted a • discussion, why didn't you ask for a discussion? City Manager Culverson: Mr..Lassiter, will you check me if I am wrong. . .how many times have I tried to bring this up to you and how many times you always said I am always picking,on.the Fire Department. And that is just not true. I think it is an inequity. • My predecessor thought 'it was an inequity, and the predecessor be- fore that thought it was an inequity, and I still think it is an inequity. And now, if the City Commission votes b to 22 5 for the way you want it, then that's the law. But I want it on the law. . . I want it on the books, and I want it differentiated so I can understand it. And I cannot understand it in any sense of. the • word where you get money for volunteer fire work. Chief Lassiter: The only thing I am interested in is the efficient operation of the fire department, and I 'don't know any way to oper- ateiit without paying these men to answer a call on their own time. • City Manager Culverson: If we put it this way. . .just a second, Bill, and I will give you the floor, just put it this way, our operation, and I am not drawing a parallel, but as long as you bring it up we have to, our operation cost $9,100 last year. A city twice this size cost $800 with just as many volunteer firemen as we have. • Chief Lassiter: Where was this? City Manager Culverson: I just said the City, and I will give you the City. ,� -10- Chief Lassiter: Well give it to me. City Manager Culverson: Hallandale. Chief Lassiter: Hallandale has a stricter volunteer fire department. City Manager Culverson: Thatts right, and they get $800 a year. Chief Lassiter: They pay a class higher insurance rate than we do too. City Manager Culverson: You can argue all night if you want, Chief. I still think it is inequitable, and I•am going to ask the Commission to revise the ordinance. Now whether they do or not, I don't know. But I have done my job. Chief Lassiter: Well revise the ordinance. I'm not going to say if I am for or against it. But youyshould have a workable plan to substitute for the ordinance. City Manager Culverson: Wd have got a workable plan. If you would take time to come over to the office to find out about it. Mayor Salvino: I think this fire department has been operating the way it should operate, and I think we should continue. I don't be- lieve there is an ordinance or anything else, and no voting on any-' thing. I think we should operate the way it has been operating. Commissioner Young: I can't see, frankly, paying two men $21 apiece for May 5th, Gth'-. 7th and 8th when they were not even within 300 miles of the City of Dania for making calls if they, werentt here. It just isn't good sense to me. Mayor Salvino: We have been paying them every year. And this depart- ment has been here for a long time. I happen to be a charter member and the assistant Chief 'too. Commissioner Young: Does that make it right? Mayor Salvino: That makes it right. Commissioner Grammer: The volunteer fire department paid $150 where the City should have paid the $150, because they were going for the city's benefit. Why should the volunteers have to pay for it? Commissioner Young: Was there a request made of the City? Commissioner Grammer: Maybe they knew they would turn them down, maybe thatts why they didntt make it. You was grumbling about $24, I know you wouldn't give them $150. Commissioner Young: It happens to be $42.00. Mr. Neff from the audience: I am Mr. Neff. . .I think I am pretty well known around here. There was a statement made by the City Manager that included me, he is speaking for me, not for myself. I want it to be record I did not make those statements. There has been a matter of precedence set, if the Commission doesn't already know this, over the past 13, 14 or 15 years, and this pretty well established prece- !: dense. These men are paid for their off-duty calls. Something I think that the public should know that the men that are on duty do not receive additional remuneration when they answer a call. When they are off-duty they revert to the status of a volunteer fireman. And voluntarily they answer these calls. I think this is something that should be clarified. I don't think, in all fairness to Mr. • Lassiter, that this was brought out carefully. Again, as Mr. Grammer said, the Volunteer department itself, by securing its own funds, has sent, over many years, their men to these various conventions. T; -11- s;, � s 0 Paying their own funds, their own transportation, the costs, with- out asking the City. By rights, maybe they should have asked the City. Maybe Mr. Grammers remarks were right, they would have been turned down. But they didn't ask: ' Still I think that possibly by paying them when they were gone again a precedent was established. Because in the past if you will search the records you will find ® that the precedent was established, whenever these men were out of town, that they were paid for their calls. I think that this is the thing that the pedple here ought to know. City Manager Culverson: Mr. Neff, I .am not looking for precedence. What I am looking for is a resolution to spell out to the City Man- ager. If the City Commissioners will spell it out for the City Man- ager in the form of a resolution I will abide by it. But I thought this thing had to be brought to the attention of the City Commission. And I tried to bring it up to Chief..Lassiter who would not listen to it. So I brought it to the press; so the people might know what I was talking about. Mr. Neff: Well I have no argument with you, Mr. Culverson. I think the action should have been brought to the Commission rather than the newspapers. Nick DiMauro: I would like to know what has happened to Civil Ser- vice. You were supposed to pick a committee and we haven't heard anything about it yet. Commissioner Zenobia: It's not dead yet, I was bringing that up tonight. Nick Di.Mauro: Another thing I would like to know, Mr. Mayor, how is it every time we have a meeting here at the end of the meeting there could be a man talking and all at once they have a motion to adjourn the meeting and you slam down that gavel there to ad- journ the meeting. I think that is not right. If a man starts to apaak on titer floor• he should be heard. It is not right to make a motion to adjourn the meeting and leave a man standing on the floor:. Mayo$ Salvino: If it has happened, I am sorry. I will see that it won't happen any more. Mrs. Paul Stephens stepped foreward complaining about Stuart's Gar- age. City Manager Culverson stated that Mrs. Stephens came to his office the other day with her complaint, and that for approximately a year the City has been trying to clean up this nuisance, through the Chief of Police. Mr. Culverson stated that When Mrs. Stephens came to his office he asked her if she would sign a complaint and she said she would. We are now in the process of getting some action, as of.to- morrow morning there will be a warrant served on Stuart's Garage, and. he will be taken to court. Mayor Salvino passed the gavel to Commissioner Hill, who passed it to Commissioner Young, Vice Mayor. A motion was made by Mayor Salvino to request the State Attorney s Office to conduct a Grand Jury Investigation of the Mayor, all Com- missioners, City Manager and all department heads; to bring the facts out to the public and let the chips fall where they may. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Grammer, and the roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows: Grammer Yes Hill Yes Zenobia Yes • Salvino Yes_ , Young Yes -12- , S t Commissioner Zenobia stated that he would like to see the Commission appoint a Civil Service Board tonight, to institute a Civil Service Policy. He suggested that they each appoint a person to serve on the board. Mayor Salvino stated that he was not prepared. • Commissioner Young suggested that, out of courtesy to the Mayor, they defer this until the next meeting. There being no further business on the agenda, the meeting adjourned. • aM ry iornhil1 City- lerk-Auditor Frank Salvino Mayor-Commissioner iwh aI= -13-. l�,