HomeMy WebLinkAbout86144 - MINUTES - City Commission • MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING, CITY COMMISSION, CITY OF DANIA,
FLORIDA, HELD FEBRUARY 1 , 1965.
The City Commission of the City of Dania, Florida, met in
Regular Session in the Commission Room at the City Hall.
• Present were: MAYOR-C%fMISgIONER. FRANK SALVINO
COMi IISSIONERS ROBERT L. GRA011MER
VERA L. HILT,
S. ELLIS YOUNG
CARL 7.ENOBIA
CITY ATTORNEY CLARKE WALDEN
• CITY MANAGER WILLIAM G. NEFF
CHIEF OF POLICE MONTIE SMITH
CITY CLERIC MARY THORNHILL
The meeting was called to order at 8:00 P.M. by Mayor Salvino.
• 1. Minutes of meeting held January 18, 1965.
A motion was made by Commissioner Hill to approve the minutes
as read. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Young, and
the roll being called , the Commissioners voted as follows:
• Grammer Yes
Hill Yes
Young Yes
Zenobi.a Yes
Salvino Yes
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2. Ordinance: Amending, Section 18-12 of the Code of Ordi.n-
andes of the City of Dania relating to Night Clubs .
(Third Reading)
AN ORDINANCE repealing all existing ordinances, City of
•, Dania, Florida, which provide for a separate zoning
classification for night clubs to the extent that such
ordinances purport to allow so-called night clubs that
sell alcoholic beverages at hours later than others.
and amending Section 17-29 Code of Ordinances, City of
Dania, Florida, by adding an additional. paragraph to
V provide that all vendors holding beverage licenses which permit the sale of beverages of any alcoholic content
for consumption on promises, or holding special hotel
and restaurant beverage licenses may remain open for an
additional period of two hours by paying an additional'
or extra license fee of 5200 per annum, and determining
that such classification is reasonable; and providing
that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict
herewith be repealed to the extent of such conflict; and
providing that this ordinance shall become effective aw
of its passage and adoption on third reading.
A motion was made by Commissioner Zenohia_ to pass the ordinance
on third and final reading. The motion was seconded by Commis-
sioner Grammer,
Commi.ssi.oner Young: Mr. Mayor. At this time I woul.d like to
offer an amendment to this ordinance; the amendment to he to
the force and effect that the provisions providing for the
additional two hours shall be for a six month period , commencing
November 1 and ending April 30th, of each, what is rommonly re-
ferred to as the tourist season. November 1. to Anril 30 would
be six months , in other words, your two o 'clock provision would
remain in effect the other six months.
-� Mayor Salvino: Would that effect the two that has got them now?
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Commissioner Young: I 'm afraid 'so. What do you mean two?
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Mayor Salvino: Well there are two four-o'clock licenses now.
Commissioner Young: There are five. That would he a point for
the counsellor to clarify. Since we are changing it-. , that would
be the intent of it.
Attorney Walden: It should effect all of them. It should- Apply
uniformal.ly,
Commissi-oner Young: I made that as an amendment to the ordinance.
• Commissioner Hill: I 'll. second that.
Attorney Walden: As to the hours of closing, the city could almost
act arbitrarily in regulating. If the vote on the amendment is
favorable, I would like to ask a few questions .on it. It is still
$200 for the six months?
• Commissioner Young: That would be the intent.. The only change
has to do with the period of hours .
Commissioner Zenobia: Would this effect the ones that have them
now?
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Attorney Walden: Yes , you could make everybody close at sun-down
if you wanted to. You can do anything you want to on closing hours.
Commissioner Grammer: What about the fee on this? ' Would it be a100?
• Commissioner Young: The fee would be 5200, as provided tin the new
ordinance. The only change would be. . .
Commissioner Grammer: That would have to be nut in the amendment
to the ordinance, too, because we passed this under the old fee of.
$200 a year.
Commissioner Young: No, your t200 additional has already been read.
My amendment has to do only. with the hours of. closing. That would
be 6 months at 2:00 and 6 months at 4:00 for those who would be
desirous of paying the additional 't200 fee, and having their estab-
lishments open until 4:00 from the lst of November until. the 30th
• of April .
Attorney Walden: What is the night club license now, Mary, t200?
City Clerk Mary Thornhill: $200, yes.
Attorney Walden: They pay t200, and under this change i.t is still.
$200 for six months.
r. Mayor Salvino: In other words , it will effect these others?
Attorney Walden: That 's right.
Mayor Salvino: Clerk, call the roll.
ri.ty Clerk Mary Thornhill: This is the vote on the amendment.
The roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows :
Grammer No
Hill q Yes
Young Yes
it Zenobia No
Salvino No
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City Clerk Mary Thornhill: Do you want a vote, then, on the
original motion?
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Mayor Salvino: Yes.
Commissioner Young: I 'd like to make one more amendment, if I
may he allowed. The amendment to be to the effect that we would
pass the ordinance as provided and delato the enacting clause.
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Attorney Walden: What, Ellis , I didn't. understand,
Commissioner Young: , Pass t:he ordinance and delete the enacting
clause.
e Attorney Walden: What does that mean?
Commissioner Young: Well , you put me on •a spot, Frankly,
Counselor, if the enacting clause is deleted then it i.s of no
force and effect.
e Attorney Walden: That 's right. . The Commission, I am sure, won't
do a meaningless thing up here. I hope. Ellis isn't serious , are
you?
Commissioner Young: I made it in the form of an amendment.
Attorney Walden: I 'm afraid you should call. for a second.
Mayor Salvino: Do I hear a second . on this amendment?
Commissioner Hill: Well , I will second it for the purpose of
• clarification. If this happens, what. happens?
Commissioner Zenazbi.a: It means i.t doesn't pass.
Attorney Walden: Let me just say this. It is permissible to read
these ordinances by title only, and I often do that to save reading
• 3 or 4 or 5 Dages long. What you are voting on is the complete law.
The enacting clause is this part that says "Now therefore be it-
ordained that the City Commission of the City of Daniel'. Mr. Young
is asking that you remove that, . which frankly is a meaningless
ordinance. Frankly, I am going to have to suggest that the motion
is out of order because you have a basic motion on the floor to
pass the ordinance. Your amendment, in effect, is not t•o pass it.
Commissioner Young: Well, Counselor, I believe that amendments
are in order under the rules, are they not?
Attorney Walden: I think if the amendment means something, yes,
Commissioner Grammer: That 's not an amendment. That is something_
to abolish what we are voting on here.
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Commissioner Young: Well that has been done many times, frankly,
Attorney Walden: Let me just say this. The effect of Mr. Young's
motion, which has been seconded, as I will paraphrase i.t and say
his motion is that we simply do not pass the ordinance. So you
can call a vote on it.
Mayor Salvino: Clerk, call the roll.
City Clerk Mary Thornhill : This is the .vote on not passing the
ordinance, I can't use all those words; Mr. Young.
Commissioner Young: It is nothing more than deleting the enacting
clause.
•i The roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows :
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• Grammer No
Hill. No .
Young Yes
Zenobia No
Salvino No
• City Clerk Mary Thornhill: Do you want the vote on the original
motion that the ordinance be passed on third roadi.nF?
Mayor Salvino: Yes , that's the original motion. Are there any
more cpmments on it?
• The roll being called , the Commissioners voted as follows:
Grammer Yes
Hill No
Young No
Zenobia Yes
• Salvino Yes
City Clerk Mary Thornhill: The motion passed.
3. Application for 2 COP License. Clarice Tavlor, 420 [Jest
Dania Beach Boulevard. (First Reading)
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Commissioner Grammer: Has this been checked out with t-be Police?
Commissioner Young: No, this is first reading.
City Clerk Mary Thornhill: The Chief is checking it, Mr. Grammer.
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A motion was made by Commissioner Young to pass on first reading.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Zenobia.
Commissioner Young: My theory on passing these on first reading
is merely to authorize the Chief of Police to check on them.
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The roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows:
Grammer Yes
Hill Yes
Young Yes
Zenobia Yes
Salvino Yes
4. Carl Zenobia: Request to review the repair and maintenance
contract with Callahan Motor Company.
• Commissioner Zenobia: On this contract we have with Callahan Motor,
I would like to review it. I checked out our bills for last year
and at the same time it is just about the same price that we payed
Callahan this time . But, from what I understand from the men who
work for the city, they have a job on the vehicles worked on in the
evening and on holidays and on Sundays, etc, , so I was just wondering
maybe it would be better for the City if we hired our own mechanic.
We have the facilities out at the water plant. And we would he able
to handle it much better, I believe, if we had our own mechanic, for
emergenci.es and having the things done just as quick, or quicker,
Commissioner Hill. : Didn't you instruct our City Manager to check
into this at our last. meeting?
Commissioner Zenobia: I don't know if we dial or not..
Commissioner Young: Yes, I remember bringing it up. It had to do
with the bill.
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City Manager Neff : Commissioner Hill. , there was no direct edictal.
for me to do this by the Commission, however I have taken it upon
myself at the askance of Commissioner Zenobia, and I am in the
midst of doing it now. The study is not completed , but it should
be within a few days. I will have a recommendation to the Commis-
sion as a whole as to what I feel should be done as far as the
* maintenance of the vehicles. I suggest at the present time that
you continue for at least one more month under the nresent set-un.
I think at the and of a month we will he able to determine defi.ni.-
tely, which way to turn. And it- would be almost impossible to do
anything as far as the city is concerned in hiring and staffing a
maintenance department of our own in that short a time.
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Commissioner Zenobia: Well , if Mr. Neff is still checking un on'
this I will be glad to let it go by for. tonight until he comes up
with his final report.
Commissioner Young: Carl, when you say that we have the facilities
• you mean that we have the room.
Commissioner Zenobia: We have the room, and there is a lift out
there, Ellis , and we have the compressor out there.
Commissioner Young: Do you mean a hoist?
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Commissioner Zenobia: The lift, you know, you put the car on and
Lift it up. I ;just think it would be a better set .un if we had
our own facilities, and this has nothing to do with Mr. Callahan,
I just thought it would be a better set un for the city.
• Commissioner Young: Well last July and August we were very close
to doing that.
Commissioner Zenobia: . I will be willing to wait until Mr. Neff
finishes his study on it. .
• Commissioner Hill: Then you will come up with a definite recom-
mendation?
City Manager Neff: Yes, I 'll probably have a recommendation for
you, Mrs. Hill, by the next meeting.
• A motion was made by Commissioner Young to table the matter at this
time and await the. . . .
Commissioner Zenobia: You don't have to, it is withdrawn.
Commissioner Grammer: There's no motion on the floor.
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Commissioner Young: I understand that, if you will allow me to
continue. . . . and that we direct the City Manager to check into it
further and make a firm recommendation, and report to the City .
Commission.
• . The motion was seconded by Commissioner Hill., and the roll. being
called , the Commissioners voted as follows:
Grammer Yes
Hill Yes
Young Yes
• Zenobia Yes
Salvino Yes
5. Bill from Wyldwood Tropical. Nurseries.
Balance due on contract t300.00
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A motion was made by Commissioner Grammer to pay the bill.
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• Mayor Salvino: Is this the final. . .
City Clerk Mary Thornhill.: Yes sir.
Mayor Salvino: It 's the final bill.
• Commissioner Hill: Are all the trees in?
Mayor Salvino: The trees arc all in good shape.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Zenobia.
Commissioner Young: As a point cf clarification for everyone I
would like to ask the City Manager if this is in order if the
contract has now been successfully completed. Thi.s is the 1.0%
retainer, I believe, is it not?
City Manager Neff: It is. The contract has been completed as
far as I have been able to ascertain and this is the retainer.
Commissioner Young: And you recommend that. . . .
City Manager Neff: He has npnarently met all, the qualifications
that you set forth as far as the planting and so forth, As far
• as I know.
Commissioner Young: In other words, as far as you know,everyf.hing
is in order then?
City Manager Neff: Yes.
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Commissioner Youngs That's all I want to know.
The roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows :
Grammer Yes
• Hill Yes
Young Yes
Zenobia Yes
Salvino Yes
City Manager Neff: Mr. Mayor, may I' interject a thought here, while
• we are on this subject. You spent quite' a bit of money on these
plants, and I recommend that the Commission give a lot of thought
to providing a water line to the area where you have your Hibiscus
plants on each end of the row of trees. These are consfantly in
need of water, and in order to -facilitate the watering and to save
a lot of man hours if we could have the Commission approve the
expenditure of putting a line across the road , up to the road , or
get water to them somehow, I think it would be adventageous and a
good insurance policy so that you don't lose your flowers.
Commissioner Young: Are you talking about a couple lines with
knocker heads?
City Manager Neff: Well. , a couple lines with just a regular tap
on so that a 50 foot hose, they are about a hundred feet on ei.*her
end , to run a line across there you can water 50 fee* either way.
And you can do it in a matter of time. As it is now, during this
dry spell, the water had to be carried out there in tanks and run
• our. of the tanks with a small garden hose. This takes a lot of
time and ties up pieces of equipment and a r_ouole of men. I think
it would be something, that the Commission should consider as a
small outlay of cash I think to put the pipes across the line. .
Commissioner Zenobia: I believe you have the authority to do that
yourself, Mr. City Manager.
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f Commissioner Young: Approximately what would this cost- he?
City Manager Neff. : Well , I haven' t looked into the cost of i.+-
yet , but being relatively new, I thought I would rat- your ex-
pression on this matter. You expended quite a sum of money here
on your plants, and I think it is good insurance.
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Commissioner Young: Well. I have to agree with that orovidinr
the cost isn't exhorbi.tant.
City Manager Neff: Well if our own department, can do it, which
I assume that they can, I imagine it would he not to exceed 550.
Commissioner Grammer: Do you mean C50: . . . .
City Manager Neff: $50 total. All you would need is tt,e nine.
You have the labor, All you need is to put the pine under the road.
• Commissioner Young: Well you are probably talking about maybe 25
feet of pipe and then add your shut off valve and then. . .
City Manager Neff: Just a regular set.up.
• Commissioner Young: Get a hose.
City Manager Neff: A hose on either end .'
Commissioner Grammer: You will need more than 25 feet of nine.
You got a 50 foot right-of-way going down through there , and your
water is on- the opposite side. So you got, to have 50 feet just to
• get across the road.
Commissioner Young: It's not a 50 foot right of way is it?
Commissioner Grammer: That's a county; road. It could be a pos-
sible 00.
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Commissioner Young: It's 32.
Commissioner Grammer: Well ,you,'probably have, 32 feet of blacktop.
Commissioner Young: It's blacktop within that much of the right-
of-way.
Commissioner Hill: Well anyway. .
Commissioner Grammer: Well anyway I. think it is going to run more
• than t50.00 if you come across that. road twice. I don't, think you
could patch the road back for 550.00.
Commissioner Young: I think what he wants is, an expression of
confidence in the exnenditure.
• Commissioner Hill : I think it is a •very good idea Mr. Neff. . We
have the bushes and plants, and I think we should snend a little
more and take care of them.
City Manager Neff: Thank you.
Commissioner Young: We won't even need a motion on that.
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6. City Attorney's Report:
Attorney Walden: Gentlemen, one thing that was mentioned at the
Last meeting was the desire to sell Jordan Furniture Comnany 'seven
inches off of what is known as Lot-II, -Block 22, also Park Street..
And if you wish to do that we have fo .adopt a resolution declaring
that seven inches surplus. You further have to go through the
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0 regular process of taking bids. I have got a resolution nrennrod
which I will read.
A RESOLUTION declaring the south seven inches of Lot- IT ,
Block 22, TOWN OF MODELIA, now DANIA, according to the
plat thereof, recorded in Plat book "P" nage A0 , public
0 records of Dade County, Florida , said lands situate lying
and being in Broward County, Florida, not needed for
public use and authorizing the sale of such land in accor-
dance with the Charter requirements of the City of Dania.
Florida.
0 The Charter requirements simply require that you advertise for
bids and you have the right to reject al.l bids . I have a sug-
gested date of 6:00 P.M. on March 15, B:30 P.M. March 1.5, 1g61;.
The survey shows .52 feet, which is 6-1/4 inches , so I ,just
rounded it off as 7. .
0 A motion was made b!, Commissioner Young to adopt and pass theme
solution as presented, and with the understanding that we adver-
tise for bids at 8:30 on March 15. The motion was seconded by
Commissioner Zenobia, and the roll being called , the Commissioners
voted as follows:
0 Grammer Yes
Hill Yes
Young Yes
Zenobi.a Yes
Salvino Yes
0 Attorney Walden: The city is on the calendar for Thursday, Feb-
ruary 4, at I believe 10:00 in the morning, to appear before the
legislative delegation, and we have only 15 minutes reserved.
The several charter changes which have been discussed . previousl'v
I don' t think are considered by tt•e delegation to be cont-roversial.
• So I will be glad to ask anyone who wants to be there to be ore-
sent . I gather there is no particular need-.for it.. I am si.mnl.y
going to outline the changes in the general. fashion. And I am
assuming that the delegation has no suggested other ehanaes. So
the process is simply to advertise a notice of intent, which we
have to do for 30 days, and then to present the drarts of the
bills to the delegation when it is in session. We have the major
changes of the terms of office and the removal of denartment heads
without cause. There are one or two minor changes.. ' ( I might
mention that the only time we have ever sold any city pronerty, in
recent years has been the sale to Mr. MacMillan of the Jordan
Furniture Company, and also I believe to DePadro Yacht Basin.
The language in the charter is to,the sequence we following in
publishing these legal ads is not clear, I believe it can be in-
terpreted to read two different ways. So I would like to get
the charter cleared up on that point. So that Mr. DePadro at
the yacht basin and Jordan will have no possible clouds on their
title. I could read the language to you and you could see the
confusion on it. That is all I have got.
Commissioner Young: Clarke, you do have in the recommended Char-
ter changes the provision for absentee ballots?
Attorney Walden: That 's right.
Commissioner Hill: And using the County books instead of using
our own books, did we go for that?
Attorney Walden: There was some talk about it. h would like on
that one to at least present, to you a draft of the hill., we have
plenty of time to donsider all of these things. I am nor entirely
r. certain when you get all through with that one if you will want to
go ahead on it. You ought to, at my suggestion, think about it a
while. But I will simply advise the delegation this Thursday of
the several changes that the Commission has talked about, of which
may be presented to the delegation in Tallahassee when they are up
there. And then finally decide just exactly what you want to do
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ahead with. I am just advising you on this .
Virgil Tarpley: Mr. Mayor, the nublic never has been advised
what these charter changes are. I think we oug',t to know what
they are before you pass on them tonight.
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Mayor Salvino: Mr. Tarpley, you can ask questions after awhile.
We want to got done with the city business first .
Virgil Tarpley: Well , you are talking about the charter changes
here.
Mayor Salvino: Well, you will have a chance to talk later, we. . .
Virgil Tarpley: Well no ,this is the time to talk about it, now.
You are on the subject. You made all these charter changes and
you haven't told the public one time what they are. You haven 't
• even asked for any opinions from the public at all . I think the
public should know what the charter changes are before you go
into it.
Commissioner Grammer: Well these will be advertised in the paper
for a public hearing, won' t they? -
Virgil Tarpley: No, there won't be any public hearing.
Mayor Salvino: City Manager's Report.
7. City Manager's Report:
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City Manager Neff: Mr. Mayor, members of the Commi.ssi.on,at the
last meeting there were four matters that were referred to me.
First: one was Commissioner Zenobia requested that I find ,out- from
Mr. Philpott, the Consulting Engineer for the sewer job, as to
what the status was on the sewer lines in the alleys and the streets,
• and so forth. This was taken care of at a special meeting that was
held with the heads of the Utilities . It was held last Thursday.
And I think that this matter was aired pretty well. We had all the
heads of the Utilities, the two contractors, members of the Commis-
sion. The second thing that was referred to me last meeting was by
Commissioner Hill, and it was in regards to checking into the rest-
0 rooms at the beach and what the cost was. I reported on that at
this special meeting, but I will give. the figures to you again.
In 1962 on September 17, Palmer Construction Company built a rest-
room on the beach for $6,766.00. On May 14, 1958, Crouch Brothers
built a restroom on the beach at t6,836.00. So you can judge by
those two figures what you wish to do as far as your additional
• restrooms. We have a set of plans on those, if you would like to
look those plans over. I think you are pretty well familiar as to
what the restrooms are.
The third item that was referred to me was by Commissioner Zenobia,
and it was in regards to the cross-over on the railroad , and I
• checked this out through Mr. Philpott, the Consulting Engineer,
and he checked it out with the State Road Board , and i.t is back
to zero. In other words, there is no action been taken. There are
no deeds that are on file with the Road Board ,, and the status of
this is right where it started. So anything that has to be done
will. have to be started all over again according to the Road Board.
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The fourth item was referred to me by Commissioner Young. It was
to check on the matter of street lights and timer uni.ts. At the
special meeting this was approved and bids for three controls worn
published. However, in the interim-. of that time one of the con-'
_ trols went bad , and we had no emergency controls to put i.n. So.
• ' under emergency action we had to procure immediately a control for
Dnnia Beach Boulevard and US. #1, which was bought. It has been
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® installed by the Electri.ci.an, and it is in operation . The lirbt
down there went on the blink and we had to do something real nuick.
So that was bought on an emergency.
I don' t want to take up too much time here, but there are a few
things that I would like to go into. It seems like there aren't
too many people around that get any accolades here, and I have a
letter that I would like to read to you, in regards to our Police
Department. This letter was sent to the Police Chief and was
forwarded to me. It comes from Mr. R. L. Elmore. I read it:
" `Dear Mr. Neff:
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Last Saturday afternoon, my daughter's horse was struck
by an automobile on the North Fedarftl Highway in Dania.
The horse was badly injured and had to be put. to sleep.
Officers Baxter and Sanford were most compassionate,
understanding the personal grief of my daughter and her
girl friend and, therefore, routed traffic through the
congested area until the veterinarian arrived and con-
firmed that the horse could not survive.
They were most helpful, sympathetic;; and tinderstar.ding,
• and I wanted you to know that this was deeply appreciated.
Isl R. L. Elmore "
I think that these two officers should be commended. Another
thing that happened , I think you all noticed it in the Paper,
one of our officers last night was very heroic and he did a
• wonderful feat in saving the life of a man in the canal . I
think you have all. read this. I think that ibis i.s something
that also should have a show of appreciation by the rommissi.on
and the public in general. This was Sgt. John Kelly. I would
like to publicly commend him.
• I also have some things here that I have put in the form of
letters to you, the first one is that I have a request from the
recreation director, Mr. Dickerson, to attend a sct,00l.. It is
a recreational directors school in Hollywood. I think you are
all in receipt of. a copy of this. I would like to have an ex-
pression as to your desires on this.
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The second request that I have is the authorization for insurance
to cover the sewer contract. This will not be necessary now, he-
cause just before the meeting the council advised me that we did
not have to advertise for this ,so this is taken care of.
• The third thing is the request for legislation for the Lobster
Boat fishermen dockage. I think you are all in receipt of the
letter on that, the information on that that I sent you.
And the fourth one is legislation, or consideration of legisla-
tion for taxi license for out-of-town taxis that pick on fares
• " at the Jai-Al.ai Fronton. That is all that I have for vou.
Mayor Salvino: Chief Smith, have you anything to bring up?
Chief Smith: No sir.
• ' Mayor Salvino: Chief Lassiter? Commissioner Grammer? Anybody
in the audience? Mr. Tarpley? Would you mind coming up here?
Okey we will answer your questions now. You have the floor Mr.
Tarpley.
Virgil Tarpley: Well , I 'm waiting to hear i.t. `I want to hear
• those charter changes. What are- they going to be?
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@ Attorney Malden: Well let me say this, 7 don' t- know that there
are going to be any. The City Commission has no right- to rhnnge
it 's charter, they can merely request the State I.egislnture to do
it. And the two major ones concern the terms of office of the
Commissioners and that has been discussed at two or t-hrec mnetinrs.
And as I understand it the Commission wants to recommend to the
@ Legi.sl_ative Delegation the so-called Hollywood Plan, which nrovides
for four commi.sstoners who's terms are .four years earh: and whin"
provides for a separate Mayor, who has a two-year term. The Mayor
also having the rights of a Commissioner. That is the exact se'--
up of the City of Hollywood has. That- is one of them that the
Commission has recommended to the delegation. The other i.s one
@ simply saying that Department Heeds , as I understand it that in-
cludes the Chief of Police, the Fire Chief, City Clert., and var-
ious officers who customarily have been known as Denartment Heads,
have a right: to be heard by the City Commission if they are re-
moved. In other words, they have a right under the charter to have
a public hearing before the City Commission as to why they are re-
moved. Now those are the two basic ones. _ We have several, what I
feel. are minor ones. One is special legislation givi.rg the City of
Dania the right to adopt an absentee voting procedure if it wishes
to do so. I think Mr. Young actually wanted the charter to say
that it would have absentee voting. Research has si.mnly been that,
we ought to have the right to put it in, then if you want to put
it in you can do so. The other was a suggestion that, we adopt the
registration system of the supervisor of registration, which while
I am going to mention that to the delegation, I see some nroblems
with it I would like to call to the attention of the Commission.
Those are the major ones. Again, let me just exolain what the
procedure i.s. The delegation is holding hearings in Hollywood and
Fort Lauderdale this week, and they have invited the various cities
to appear before the Commission at large and to indicate generally
what changes the various cities would like. The city then will.
after this meeting, and 7 assume the delegation will. he favoraht.,
receptive , the City then:-has the burden of advertising a notice of
intent to apply for the charter changes. And that notice is pub-
lished for 30 days before the law can he enacted. And the notice
will go into great detail publishing the recommended changes.
Again, it is not up to the Commission as such, but rather to the
State Legislature to change the charter. Those are the ones that
I have been instructed about.
@ Virgil Tarpley: I realize that, but what I. . . to change the term
of office to four years I think it is a good idea, but. I think
there should be a limit of say 2 terms,that only a commissioner
could serve. If not, we are going to be right back into the same
thing that we just got out of a couple years ago. But if he can
only serve two terms instead of three or four. . .
Attorney Walden: Let me say, I don't. . .I have looked at a number
of chargers with other cities and asked , I don't know of other
cities that have that.restriction.
Virgil Tarpley: Well all of your Federal Offices are :getti.ng that
@ restriction now. But if you go and set up something like this we
are going to be right basic into what we were in for the oast 12
years . If you are going to make a change I think you ought to make
the change to have something so that the public will have something
to say about it, and not just the Commissioners.
@ Mayor Salvino: Anybody else in the audience?
Dink Frost: Mr. Mayor and members of. the City Commission, Mr. Neff
said that he had a request from the Craw Fishermen for dockage over
there. And so I am here to represent them, and I talked it. over
with them. Of course, you know they were over at the beach and
i they don't make much money out of boating as other people. And of
® course, in the closed season their boats are tied Up for t, or
5 months out of the year. And they can' t afford to pay very
much dockage. So I talked it over with them, and this is what
we came up with. The city will give me a lease so I can watch
out for it, and I will put in the necessary imnrovemeni-s over
there that they need , the dockage,and water, and utilities. .
• And check the dockage for them and give the City 10% of what I
collect:'. If it is agreeable with you. If you have any sugges-
tions, . I would like to hear them.
Commissioner Young: I can see a problem on that. The Sanitary
• Sewer Treatment plant is going to be in that general area. That
is exactly where you are going to put the dock.
Dink Frost: Is that where the treatment- plant is going?
Commissioner Young: In the south part of the park. That will
be over to the canal.
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Dink Frost: Will it be within 50 feet 'of the canal? All we will
need is about 50 feet of it.
Commissioner Young: Well I don't know the .exnct location of it ,
or the exact distance, but it will be in the general area. And
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for that reason I think we .should give this some study. Just as
one small example, you have to put the, the. Florida Power & Light
Company, will have to put in a wire, pole and meter and so on and
so forth.
• Dink Frost: The Flori.da Power & Light Company has been over there,
Mr. Young, and they said there was enough room to put their poles
there , run their wires there, and to build our dock. Then of
course , the utilities and water. They want. .water, and when the
see aquarium is built over there I will run the water over to the
dock. I don 't know what the cities plans, are for that particular
• part of the park, at one time it was"thought that maybe some
amusement rides and things of that kind might be put in. And I
wouldn't want the park tied up where it would hinder anything
that the city has planndd, or should plan. Do you have any idea
when the treatment plant will be put in there or when they will
have it completed?
Commissioner Young: Within the next year. They will be working
there , they will start in pretty soon.
Dink Frost:- Well, there wouldn't be anything to hinder us over
there, or hinder them. They certainly wouldn't build it within
50 feet of the canal I wouldn't imagine.
Commissioner Young: That is quite possible, but as I said before,
I don't know.
Dink Frost: Well, it is entirely up to you if you want to help
the fishermen. I don't make any difference to me. They have to
move away from the beach and that is where they have been. Any
improvements that we put in there, we can't put much because they
can't afford to pay a lot, of dockage.
Commissioner Zenobia: The City Manager looked into this. I would
like to ask him what his recommendation is on it.
Commissioner Grammer: Well I think it is in the form of a letter.
I 've got a letter in my pocket here on it. Actually it is just
a suggested agreement. I think the City Manager must have talked .
to some of the men on this.
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® City Manager Neff: That 's right , Commissioner Grammer and 7enobia
both. I had an informal meeting as this letter stages in my office
with the Mayor and three of the Lobster Boat Captains, Mr. Cluck,
Mr. Hunter, and Mr. Kylmar. And as I stated i.n here, these gentle-
men are desirous of moving and have made a pronositi.on , and we herre
been through this. It took about 2 hours in my office going into
• this. It was discussed at some length, and an agreement was reached
with these captains . Now they stated that they need 60 feet of
dockage space and they agreed to individually, now, to i.nstal.l.
their own dock that will meet the specifications set, forth by mv-
sel.f and the building inspector. They also stated they were wi.l.l-
i.ng to pay the expense of putting in the electric pole, the elec-
• trio service and the meter, and to pay their own el-ectric whatever
they use. And also they are willing-to pay a nominal. flat rate
fee for the use of water if the city would extend the water line
from where it: is now to where they need it. They also tentatively
agreed that if the Commission saw fit to enter into, to allow me
to enter into this agreement with them, they would pay t15 n month.
• Now this was agreed upon by these three captains and they stated
that they were speaking for the other two .captai.ns. There were
five captains involved . They also request that this lease run for
a period of twelve months , and it was stated in there t'-at they
were agreeable to having a cancellation clause in there of 30 days .
Also that they would be under the regulations of any nuisance or
• health regulations that could be an immediate cancellation of this
lease. They also asked, and it was tentatively agreed . that'-it would
be part of this lease, that they would have the right to stack their
traps during the off-season at the South end of the canal.. They
also agreed to enter into this agreement individually, so that each
captain was on his own. Each captain stood on his own, and if. each
• wanted to terminate or i.f 1-he City wanted to terminate one captain
it would effect no one else. I felt that this was a fair and
equitable agreement both for the captains and for the city and that
is why I present it to you, and, I ask you to 'take action on it in
such form. I believe it is very clear.
Dink Frost: That's alright, but somebody has got to watch out for
their equipment when they are not there. They, one of the craw
fishermen said, Dink, how about you taking care of it, you are
over here all the time. He said we will abide by whatever you
come up with.
Commissioner Young: Mr. Neff , is there any phase of this that the
US Army Corp of Engineers should look into , since they would be
building docks. And 60 feet with 5 captains would be 300 feet.
City Manager Neff: That's right. We have approximately 576 feet.
,• Commissioner Young: And does the Army Corp of Engineers enter
into it in any respect?
` City Manager Neff: They have not, not to my knowledge.
;:•. Dink Frost: That doesn't come under the Army Engineers , because
4•, it is a private canal.
City Manager Neff: Of course, at any time that the Flood Control
or the Army Engineers dial enter into it, if there is any conflict,
you have your 30 day cancellation clause which takesoeffect'cat' that
time. Within a period of 30 days you could request that they ter-
minate the lease.
Commissioner Young: Well I think, frankly, that i.6'ei.ther' one-of
those governmental units would be involved that you would have to
have their permission before you could enter into anything like
this.
City Manager Neff: Well that is possible, but I don't think that
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Dink Frost: The only people that, would be involved would be the
Flood Control. Even the Dania Cut-off Canal doesn't come under
the Army Engineers.
Commissioner Young: No, I think the Flood Control. does come under
• this though, but by the same token, I am not posi.ti.ve.
Attorney Walden: Let me say this , ffie' city; ' hein a 'mutiicipali.tq,:
altogether has a right to go out: there and lease it. It is a
rattier .cumbersome procedure. If you favor any of these things
that Mr. Frost is asking and that the City Manager i.s recommending,
• I would like to write i.t up in sort of a permit form and stay away
from that word "].ease". That will be getting involved in adver-
tising and all that.
City Manager Neff : With a 30 day cancellation?
• Attorney Walden: That health regulation chapter should cancel
it out. Be that as it may, the Commission should give some ex-
pression what you would like to do.
Commissioner Zenobia: Would that be one permit, or five permits?
• City Manager Neff: A permit to each individual .
Attorney Walden: I would do it separately.
Dink Frost: If it is agreeable with them, because I would watch
• out for their stuff, ' if I haven't got any control over it, then
I don't feel like I ought to watch. out for any of their equipment .
A motion was made by Commissioner Hill to accept the City Manager's
recommendation and instruct the City Attorney' to draw up the neces-
sary permits. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Zenobia,
Mr. Harry Loury: I would like to ask a question if. I may. Clarke,
how wide is that canal when you are going. in there, can other boats
come in and out.?
Commissioner Grammer: This will. be from the mouth of the canal.
It will be 500 or 600 feet below. I would like to say this. I
don't know if the boat captains have got a place to dock their
boats . If there is any room there I would like to see us, with-
out going into this permit, to give them permission to park there
because I know they were crowded out where they were down there.
I would like to have them come in there without a permit until we
can get this drawn up.
City Manager Neff: Mr. Mayor, I gave the boat captains the emer-
gency permission that if they were squeezed out there and absolutely
had no where to dock, I gave them emergency permission to dock in
there and advise me as of immediately. In other words, the first
day they had to dock I wanted to be advised of it so that I would'
know that they were there. Apparently they are still. docking where
they were because no one has so advised me. But I took this upon
myself under emergency procedure, that if dockage was cut, off where
they are now, then they could go into the canal temporarily until
we had some form of permit or legislature, or regular permission.
The roll being called , the Commissioners voted as follows:
Grammer Yes
Hill Yes
Yr ung Yes
Zenobia Yes
Salvino Yes
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0 Dink Frost: I 'd like to ask a question, I 've got nothing to do
with it. This is an agreement with the boat captains , is that
right?
Mayor Salvino: Yes.
0 Dink Frost: Okey.
Elmer Nitcl-e: I 'm Elmer Nitche, and I would l.ile.e a clarifi.nation
on a thing that has been going around and around for 4 or 5 venrs.
That is about some of these old houses t'+at nobody lives in. The
building Inspector says it isn't his , I astced t-e Attorney, he
0 says it: isn't him, and the Council. Now who is responsible? How
can we get some action on this? I 'm speaking now mainly over on
the west side. I have come before the Commission before and '-hey
are always going to tatce down some of these old shacks that nobody
lives in and haven't lived in for 5 or 6 years. Who is responsible
and how do you go about getting something done? How long would
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you say that house has been empty, about 10 years, over on 206 N.
11. 8th Street, and at 832 N. W. 3rd Street.
Commissioner Grammer: Let me say this , about:-a: year:;ago,.•Mr.
2enobia and Mr. Salvino weren' t on the Commission at that time,
the Building Inspector was to get a list I think along with the
Fire Chief to go and look at these buildings . and if they should
be condemned they .were torrecomme[id- them •to- Mr. Walden. Now
whether they ever got up a list I have never seen the list.
Elmer Nitche: They have a whole handful of lists.
0 Attorney Walden: Let me say this, over the years the City Manager
has sent out a notices..- - The real'-probldm,:is this that if the
property owners refuse to co-operate, about the only way the city
can do it is to condemn the property with a special assessment
orocedure. They normally get that form by abstract, because the
0 owner or mortgage holder is entitled to a notice. And then. it
is just like paving a street., there are bids. Now the Building
Inspector since the first of the year, I know,has condemned a
number of buildings, and if he were here I am sure you could get
a report from him.
Elmer Nitche: I saw them. He showed me some of. the notices. .But•
I told him they will have to . something more other than just asking
them to remove the building.
Commissioner Young: I 've got to agree with you Mr. Nitche, that
the houses are unfit for habitation and 'an eyesore.
Attorney Walden: Well, I would like to sap this in fairness to
the Building Inspector and the City-:Manager''that-�a report should
be made of those that have been taken care of.
Steve Penta: My name is Steve Penta, I live at. 37 S.W. loth St.
I was in to see you about a month ago and you asked me to wait
until you got a City Manager, --about the trailer park. What are
you going to do about those trailers? They are on the sidewalk.
We're parking out on the street. The street isn' t wide enough
for parking. I£ he has a driveway,. he cannot get in. And when
you go to the court house they call you all kinds of names.
That is the only trailer park,and I have traveled all over
Florida, that is the only trailer park where they part: on the
street and you can' s: get in your, car porte. There has to be
something done.
Chief Smith: I don't recall you mentioning to me anything about
this.
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• Steve Penta: Well, it was about a couple months ago when I
called. And the Mayor told me himself to wait and give You
a chance to got a City Manager. Do you remember thnt?
Mayor Salvino: Yes .
• Steve Penta: So now you got. the City Manager. So now let's
have something done about it.
City Manager Neff: Let me say this in my own defense, I have
not: heard anything about it. I would assume, and I think. that
Counsel would back me up on it and the Chief of Police would
• back me up, that if anybody is parking on the sidewalk, legally
there is something that we can do about it . All we have to do
.s ticket them. If they do not move them.we will send down a
truck and tow them away, because this is blocking a city street
the same as your automobile or mine. I don 't think there is
any argument.
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Steve Penta: These trailers are too far on the sidewalk.
City Manager Neff: Well. , i.f they are on the sidewalk or not
parked properly according to the regulations, if they are parked
in violation of the ordinance that sets up how these trailer-
parks should be operated I don't think that there is anv question
at all that they can he moved. I think that the Coundi.l wi.11. hack
me up on that. and I think so will the rhi.ef of Police.
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Attorney Wnlden: You're right.
• Steve Penta: I told the mavor when I was here about a month ago
or a month and a half, at the time you were reading the contracts
and all. that, and he said give me time to get a City Manager.
Now these trailers are there, and 21; feet of that is sunposed to
belong to the street. The street is a very narrow street. How
can we get at the. . .me, I don't need it because I built a garage
in back.
City Manager Neff. : Let me give you a, not a short answer, but a
concise answer. If you will bring this to my attention tomorrow
I will be glad to go down there and look the thing over with you
and see if we can't do something about it.
Steve Penta: Alright , thank you very much.
Mayor Salvino: Anybody else?
Virgil Tarpley: Yes, I have one thing I told Commissioner Grammer
and Zenobia this . . .
`. Mayor Salvino: Just a minute Mr. Tarpley.
Mr. Pallonari:' Mr. Mayor, Commission era , Mr. . Neff. , my name is Mr.
Pallonari, I own and operate the Dania Taxi Service. I want to
know one thing, I want to know i.f any cab can come to Dania , park
and pick up passengers without a license,.
-' Mayor Salvino: Nickolas , were you here all during the meeting?
Mr. Pallonari: Yes , I heard Mr. Neff bring it up. '
Mayor Salvino: Well , it has been taken care of. They are all going ,
to be licensed.
Mr. Pallonari: They're all going to he licensed? That' s all I '
want to know. Thank you very much.
r" Mayor Salvino: Mr. Tarpley?
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Virgil Tarpley: I think Commissioner Grammer and 7enohia are
familiar with this now, on Sheridan Street . I brought this to
their attention once before. About getting some water lines im
down there. They have all their l.i.nes and every*hing in and
they are nutting in the base of the street down there now. I
• think it would be advisabl.c 170 go ahead and check into that, and
put a line in before they pave that- road . It would be a l.ot
cheaper now.
Commissioner Grammer: I agroe with Mr. Tarpley on that and I
thought they were being put in myself. , but i.f i.t does take a
• motion or something, I definitely cgould like to see the water
out in there now before they put the grass in because if Pania
doesn 't water the grass that is going to .be in Pania , it will
be dead grass . If tte state is going to put- all. *hat in there
I think the City can keep it watered and make a nice looking
street out of i.t. We don' t want a lot of dead grass in the middle
• of it. I also checked with the State Road Department. They said
if we put; them in before they put the blacktoo down they would
give us permission to cross the right-of-way.
A motion was made by Commissioner Grammer to authori.7e the City
Manager to have water lines run to the three islands on Sheridan
• Street so that the City can nut in sprinklers.
Commissioner Grammer: Is that three islands down there Air. Tarnlev?
Virgil. Tarpley: I think it is.
• Commissioner Grammer: Well., the three or four islands , whatever i.t
is to run a water ni.pe over '-here so that we can nut a snrinkler in
there.
Commissioner Hill. : - Is this between Federal and the railroad?
• Commissioner Grammer: That's right. .
Commissioner Zenobia: Well. there were a few oeoole that asked
us about that. They were at a meeting one night.
Commissioner Young: Is that going to take four lines?
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Commissioner Zenobia: One at each section.
Commissioner Grammer: I think it is three.
Virgil Tarpley: The only thing you have to do is just to out the
•. line across the road to the island and later on in the future you
can take care of the rest of it. P.ut you ought to get the lines
4 in before they .put that paving down. The cost will be very little
s .. now.
Commissioner Grammer: It 's the same thing that we had the fi.ty
Manager run the water line to the trees . We want she same thing
on Sheridan Street to water the shrubs .or trees or whatever they
::. have got .
Commissioner Young: These i.slands on lfith Street, half of theta
i' are in Pania and half of them are in the City of H0111naood .
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Commissioner Zenobia: That 's very 'nossible. .
' Commissioner Grammer: But now Hollywood is 'runni_ng water from the
Dixie Highway west.
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Commissioner Young: Dixie Highway west? :
® Virgil Tarplcy: That 's west of the railroad , the PEr, railroirl .
Commissioner Zenobia : There's a little niece of +-'•nt in Dania
too. Maybe not two blocks in Danis.
Commissioner Grammer: Now Hollywood , as far as I can finrl out,
• are taking care of the rest of i.t, to the west.
Commissioner Young: Well that is in Holl.;naood , so we woulrtn' t
be concerned with that.
Commissioner Grammer: Well it is about 2 blocks, and we are
covering about 3 blocks.
Virgil Tarpley: There are three on the west si.rle of *he rail-
road too. Three and three is what it is.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Zenobia, and the roll.
• being called, the Commissioners voted as follows:
Grammer .Yes , ,and I will say this
has got to be acted upon pretty quick', because tt,ey are fixing
to put the blacktop down there. And once they hl.ackton it they
won't let you go through there.
• Hill Yes
Young Yes .
Zenobia Yes '
Salvino . Yes
Mayor Salvino: Anybody else in the audience have anything to
• bring up? Commissioner Grammer?
Commissioner Grammer: Yes. The first thing is I want to go
back to the sewers. Our City Manager said that we did have a
meeting, which was not a meeti.ng but a -conference with the
Engineers and the Contractors and Utility men, i.n which I asked
• a question. And I am still not snti.sfi.ed with the answer that
I got, in regards to alleys between 8t-h street and Oth street,
and 9th street next to the cemetery, and 70. street. At the
time we went into the sewer program I was told , and I think that
the other two commissioners concerned were with me at the time,
that wherever we had an alley of 12 foot or more if it was oos-
• Bible to put these sewers in that they would go i.n the nl.ley.
And, of course, ,he said that it could be changed . But then he
said that it would take a change order to do it , and that is
going to cost the city more money. And I would like to see
that change order out through now instead of after they survey
all these streets. They are working in the streets. I even'
received a letter, and I see that a lot of people in my neigh-
borhood are here, and I think they would like to have an answer.
Why they .were taken out of these three alleys , and I was told
on account of the utilities. There are no more utilities there
now than there were when it was told to me that they were going
in the alley. And they are going in some alleys that have the
same amount of utilities that are in our al.lev. I would like
to know why. They told us that they could always be moved
back,so I don't understand why it was changed if it can be
changed back.
Commissioner Young: Did you ask Mr. Philpott that?
Commissioner Grammer: Yes , and that is the answer that I got.
Commissioner Young: If you remember you and I were looking at
the plans that day and we were rather horrified. -
Commissioner Grammer: That's right.
Commissioner Young: To find that they were changed to streets
instead of alleys.
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Commissioner Zenobia : I think it should also be mentioned that
• Air. Philpott said that they can be changed bne.k to the allay. and
the contractor said that if he door cl-ange them that they will.
charge extra .
Commissioner Grammer: That 's right, and on behalf of mvself and
all. the names that are on that street, at the time we were bui.ldin{r.
there, like I told the engineer, I built most- of the houses in that
subdivision. And the City of Dania at *hat time forced me to nut
my septic tank in the back, whi.c', they said the sewer would come
down the alley. And where I will. have to run 40 or q0 fee'- '-o
connect to this sewer if it is in the alley I wi.l.l. ',ave to run 100
feet , or all. the way around my house , to bring it out to the front.
And I only have 5 foot of land herween my house And my nronerty
line, and if I have to dig a three or four foot Been ditch along
my Tooter that close to it, there are liable to he some of '•hose
houses have cracks along their roofs from digging that close to
their foundation. I don' t think it is even prnr_ti.cal. to nut them
in the street.
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Commissioner Hill: We were told, and I. am sure you remember, that
they were going in the alleys every place that it, was at al-1 pos-
sible.
Commissioner Grammer: That 's right , Commissioner Hill .
Commissioner Young: That 's right , there were one, two , three of
us on the Commission and that question was asked of the Engineer
last March or April.
Commissioner Grammer: And I hate to say there is no guarantees
• in these streets and you have to get a change order which the
engineer agreed and the contractor agreed that is going to cost
the city extra money because there is going to have to he a
change order, they get paid for what they have done in the street ,
and then they get to go back in the alley and collect again.
• Commissioner Young: • Now, Bob , when you and I found out about
that we called Mr. Philpott and, if my memory is correct, he
told us at that time that he would check into it and renort hack.
Commissioner Grammer: Well I can say I haven't got a definite
answer from him. He said they can be if the utilities are not,
• in the way. You have one of the houses that was built after
this water main was in, which is on the north side of the alley.
The company I was working for at the time , we ran most of those
water lines myself in the subdivisions. And to my knowledge,
we have gas that goes up the alley, I 'm speaking about the one
that goes between your street and my street, it only comes about
• a third of the way up the alley. It doesn't come up back of
your house or my house. The City gas or Peoples Gas. I can' t
see that many utilities in that alley not putting them in that
alley, because we have got alleys where these sewers are going,
that have got the same utilities that that alley has got. And
I can't see why he changed it. I 'd like to see if it is possible
that a change can be made. That change being made now before they
go and get all this work done and have to take a change order to
do it, which will cost the city extra money.
Commissioner Young: Now at the meeting the other day, which I
think was a conference, did Air. Philpott give a definite commit-
ment? .
Commissioner Grammer: No sir.
Commissioner Zenobia: He said he would have to check with the
gas company, the water company, and so forth, and if it was
• possible they would go in the alley. I don't see what else you
can do now.
:._`. Commissioner Grammer: I say don't let them start on that street
until• they check to see, I mean what is the need of going and
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® dig that street and then have to make a change order to move
them back in the alley?
Virgil Tarnley: •Wel.l if the utilities are in the way like the
gas company, they can be made to move their lines out of the
• way at no cost to the city. Recause in the first TAnce they
shouldn' t have put the utilities down the middle of the allev.
All. roads and streets where utilities are in the way, these com-
panies have got to move at their own expense.
Commissioner Zenobia : Well. I don't know how the contractors
• word it , Virgil , but I asked them the other day if they were to
move from the street to the alleys Would they charge for it, and
they said yes. And I don' t know how it was worded , that Would
be in Clarke' s department.
Virgil Tarpley: I 'm speaking of the utility;compani.es now.
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Harry Loury: Philpott was called today and asked i-£ he would
change them to the alleys and he said not at all.. He said
every one is going in the street , and that is where they are
going to stay. He was called for S. E. Second Avenue today,
and he said no, it is going in the street. It i.s not even
• correct to put them in the street when you have got an alley
with septic tanks on both sides of the alley. I mean you have
30 or 40 feet to go from the alley. Well the City forced us
to put our septic tanks in the rear. .
Virgil Tarpley: That 's a city ordinance:
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Harry Loury: In fact, I wanted to put one in the front and I
wasn' t: allowed to do it. A lot of them won't work efficiently
if you have to make a turn to go back out to the front . You
can't go under the house. You have to go around them.
• Mr. MacMillan: Mr. Mayor, they asked if all of the sewer lines
were going down the streets on Fifth street. I have a ropy of
the plan with a note on mine that says that the septic tank must-
be in the rear, and there are several other pieces of construc-
tion up and down the alley so that we were forced to nut them in
the rear.
• Commissioner Grammer: That's right. I agree with that. T.'e
were told that they were going in the alley.
Commissioner Young: Yes , but it wasn't in writing. There was
no carbon paper involved. I'll tell you this. I Oink that
we should have Mr. Philpott come down and find out why those
changes , some changes must have been made. He wouldn't have
told us that they were going in alleys unless that was the in-
tent at the time. And that hasn 't been a year, and now we fi.nd
that a sizeable number of them are going down the streets .
Commissioner Zenobia: We had him here the other day Ellis , and
this is the answer he gave us . And these are the plans he sent
over.
Mr. McMillan: I just Want to reiterate what has already been
said , that when I built they told me definitely that my septic
• tank has to go in the hack because the sewers were going down
the alley. Now it seems to me that, alley, I live on 9th St. ,
and it seems to me as though that alley is wide enough for the
water to go down and the sewer to go down. And the gas , as far
as that is concerned, it only comes up from Second Avenue about
not half way. About 4 or 5 houses, if I am not, mistaken. So
that they can't use that for an alibi for the gas , I don't be-
lieve. However, in other cities, they have gas and water and
telephone and electric and the whole business in the alleys .
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• and they don't conflict with each other. And I don ' t see why
it would conflict here.
Virgil. Tarpl.ey: Well I 0-ink if there is an error ft- should
fnl.l hack on the engineer, not on the city of Dania.
Commissioner Grammer: I would like to go back to what. Mr. Young
said , and I would like to get Mr. Phi.lpott down here and ask
these questions. And if they can' t go in t-he alleys I am not-
for fighting sewers because I want to see sewers i.n thi.s town.
But I would like to know why they have to he out of those two
alleys, because like this man said , there i.s a few hundred feet
• of gas pipe in that alley and wet-er Ii.nes , and I know t-hey-.are
going in al.loys where gas goes all the way through the a1.1.ey
and there are water pipes in there. Li ace you sny, I would Like
to know why it was changed. Just- because you got utilities in
there that 's not the whole answer.
• Commissioner Young: Well it certainly couldn' t be *he Florida
Power & Light poles because they are above ground.
Commissioner Grammer: At this time I think you owned your pro-
perty. You dedicated so many feet to the alleys and I dedicated
on the opposite side. We had to dedicate so many feet to the
• alley and we were told that, this was going back to 10, 1.1 , 12
years ago when they first started talking sewers. Like this man
said, we were all forced to put our septic tank in the rear as
the City was coming down there. And like somebody said here, it
would be a turn to get to the front, and'-where my septic tank is
by my house I will have to make three turns. And I know from
A experience that if you have three turns in a pipeline to the
sewers you haven't got anything but trouble.
Commissioner Young: I think in all fairness that we should get
Mr. Philpott on the carpet and just put the questions to him,
and get some firm answers.
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Virgil Tarpley: There is one other thing I would like to bring ,
up too. Down in the Southeast section I see some areas that were
designated to have sewers and they have been out out also. Es-
pecially down there where ,Hilliard is building around the Catholic
church in that area in there. There aren't even sewers going in
• down there.
Commissioner Young: Well I think that will be taken care of by
a change work order.
Commissioner Grammer: No, but that; I '.m going to go back and agree
a with Mr. Tarpley. We had a plan, I 'said "shady" the other dav, and
I 'm not going to use it, but a marked-off plan which was lined 'off,,
area "H" and "M" and all these was going to be. covered . They were
taken care of with sewers except two parts down in the Southeast
section which was left white on the trap, and area "X" which is the
golf course. That was all that was going to be omitted from this
• phase of the sewers . But on this plan that we let out for bid, I
had never seen that plan until it was let out for bid. Now I have
got the copy that I went to Atlanta with, well, not that copy, but
a duplicate copy of it. And I never got a copy of this changed
sewers , and I seen it the first night, when Virgil. and Mr. Thornton
came up here and was asking questions . In fact, I was a little
• bit puzzled myself. Just about 2S percent of an area on the east
side, which has been left out. I 'm like 11r. Tarpley, from what I
thought and what I was told was going in, and People along here
which could do without, I would say 25 percent of them. They are
going to get the sewers. And down here where they need them about
25 percent of them is left off. I don 't understand either.
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• Commissioner Young: Well, I 'm forced to agree with you on that,
because I was under the same misapprehension.
Mr. MacMillan: One other point, when I nut in my sidewalk down
there, they told me. . .I contacted the City Manager at that .ti.me ,
and he said there would be no question about the sewer t!oi-ng in
• the street , so to go ahead and put the sidewalk. in . And if they
go down the street, who is going to replace the si.dewrlk?
Marry Loury: The reason they don't want to go down the alley in-
stead the street is that they have no place to put their dirt .
That 's their problem.
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Commissioner Zenobi.a: Well , It's a lot easier.
Harry Loury: Yes , if they go down the street it is a lot easier
for them.
• Commissioner Grammer: Well , it is not easier for them, but, it
is a lot harder for the rest of us.
Mr. MacMillan: Well , they can close off the alley for the time
being. They close off the streets lots of times , and they can
• close off an alley just as well as they can streets .
Commissioner Young: And then that digging under sidewalks to
put sewer pipe in can be rather tedious.
Mr. MacMillan: Well , I wanted to put a pipe through under the
sidewalk when I put it in, see, and they said there is no use i.n
doing that because they are going down the alley with the sewer.
Commissioner Zenobia: Well. , I think that the horse is out of the
barn. This should have been done when the plan was approved .
This is an awful time to bring it up.
• harry Loury: We thought it was going down the alley, we didn't
know any different. We are like Mr. . Young and Mrs. Hill., we
thought it was going down the alley.
Commissioner Zenobia: I ,was under the same i.moressi.on, but I
never looked at the plan. I wasn't on the Commission then.
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Commissioner Grammer: Well, Mr. Zenobia, we didn't look at this
plan until we had it out for bid. Truthfully, I have seen this
lateral plan tonight, like I, said Mr. Taroley and Mr. Thornton
was up here. And this was already let out for bid, i.t was sent
up to Jacksonville or Atlanta, wherever it was. And I never seen
• : this plan until it had come back and was put out for bid, and
Houston asked us about it that night. And truthfully I didn't
know myself.
Commissioner Young: Well, those plans were sent, if you remember,
directly to the Health Department.
Commissioner Grammer: That's right.
Commissioner Young: From the Engineer's office.
Commissioner Grammer: That's right. Just like I say, we didn't
get a chance to see them before they went out for hiids .
Mayor Salvino: no you want to contact Mr. . Phi.lnott tomorrow on
this?
Commissioner Grammer: Well , tomorrow, or something because I
definitely would like to have an answer, because there are a lot
of people asking me and I don't have an answer.
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City Manager Neff: Gentlemen, I know you had this meeti.nFf
Thursday. Supposing his answer is going to he very much the
same as what he said Thursday. The answer I will. say was a
little bit ambiguous, but I think that this is what he is going
to say again. In essence what he said was that they will go
* wherever they were planned to go if at all possible. And the
answer that both he and the contractor gave was that they
couldn't see underground and if they could they could tell you
exactly where they are going to go. I think some of the people
in the city are becoming alarmed, I 'm not taking the defense for
the Engineer or the Contractor, but I think some of the people
• are becoming alarmed at what they are assuming is going to he
where the men are going to dig. They are seeing flags and marks
and so forth, and this is not: a certainty, that they are going to
dig there. What they are trying to do first- of all is to locate
the utilities . They may not dig where they are nutting their
flags and so forth. I think that possibly some of the al.arm of
the people is undue, but. I will be glad to arrange a meeting as
quick as possible with Mr. Philpott again.
Mayor Salvino: Thank you. Mr. Grammer have you got anythi.ng
else to bring up?
• Commissioner Grammer: Yes, this is from the Recreation Supervisor
at Frost. Park,whi.ch I think I gave a copy to the City Manager and
the two on the recreation committee who serve with me on this. So
I don't know whether this should he brought up before the Commi.sGion
or to have Mr. Neff to think they need this or what, but I will. read
it then give it to him. We would like to have a fence on the naddl.e-
• ball court , to explain that that's down each side of the naddleball
court . I have been there and people complain about the ball going
over in the tennis court and they get in the way of the neonl.e play-
ing tennis , and then they go in the Rec . building there, which I
don't think it would probably be, a hundred dollars would nrohahl.y
put the fence on all four sides, that 's not too much fence. And
• raise the backstop and fence on first-base side of the basebal.l.
field. This is something we talked about a year ago. Mrs. Hill
and I were down to the ballfield, she comes to nearly every game,
and I was too. And of course, Mr. 7enobia was there. He knows
about this . We lose a lot of balls going over i.n nri.vate property,
which the people don't like to come and pick the balls up because
• they plant flowers in a garden there, which I can understand that
too. And if we could raise this backstop down that one side, of
it I think it would keep 90% of the balls in the bal.lfield. And
he has got a new steel net for tennis courts, all in had shape.
Two flood lights for the paddle=ball court. One for each court.
And Air-condition the recreation building, including beat . . Thai-
one I will have to , I can 't recommend that,, two ping-pong tables
to recreation, the ones he has there are 10 years old . You can
get them for S44 each. One horizontal ladder, E1.7, whatever that
is, model number, 586.70. Drain field for restroom, floods out
septic tank when restroom gets a lot of use. A full load of clay
for baseball field. Now some of this stuff may have already taken
• place, I don't know. That fill load of clay that is bought every
year I know down there to put on the baseball' fiel.d, But this is
some suggestions he gave to me and I gave one to our City Manager.
So I don't know course , but while we are on this I would 'certainly
Like to recommend some of this stuff for the younger children at
Frost: Park and also West Side Park. I have been over there looking.
r And for smaller children I am, xalking about there is absolutely
nothing in Frost Park for the small child to play on. And also
in tlest Side Park,there are some swing frames there. The frames
are good but there is no swings on them. A slide for the recrea-
tion, there just hasn't been any bought here.- It was put in last
years budget , we have it in this years budget. ,And I would like
to see us get some recreation for, our younger children. We just
don't have it . Of course, we have this kiddie park down here,
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but after all that is a long ways from that side of the town
for a small child to come across Federal. liighwny to got over
there to play. And we have plenty of room nt Frost rnrk for
some of this small stuff: . I 'd like to recommend to the Com-
mission and to the City Manager to get some small stuff for
the smaller children in both parks .
City Manager Neff: Mr. Grammer, I would like to ask you, I
didn't want to interrupt. This is in the process of being
taken care of now. I have asked both of the, or all of the.
directors of both the park nnd' also the bench to givo me a
recommendation as to what they thought they needed and this
• is in the process of being tnlcen carp of now, the only one
item in there, I mean the one that you took exception to is
the only item that I think would have t;o have any consider-
ation, and that would be for the air-conditioning. All the
other stuff is covered in the budget it is normal. maintenance
or improvement, and I don't think there is any action there
w that the council needs to, .or the Commission needs to concern
themselves with other than they want the job done. I think
the only thing that woul'd 'be of concern there would be the
air-conditioner. It might exceed +500. This is being looked
into too .
Commissioner Grammer:. Well that would satisfy me. I know.
Mayor Salvino: Have you anything else to bring un?
Commissioner Grammer: Yes, here from the Recreation Director.
Ile has asked to attend the class.
• City Dtanager Neff: This is the letter that- I nsked you gentle-
men to take some action on. Mr. Dickerson, who is our recres-
ti.on director, has requested permission to attend a professional
recreation course in Hollywood that is being given by a certified
professor from the University of Florida. This is a course that
is 9 weeks in length. Mr. Dickerson on his own enroll.ed in this.
The fee is r36.00. I think that it behooves the City Commission .
to off-set this tuition because he is going, attending this and I
suggested here in my letter that permission he given him, and, also
that he be requested to report back to the Commission nnd the ri.ty
Manager as to what he learned and what *he can give us to improve
0 our parks and recreation department.
Commissioner Zenobia: That doesn't take any action does it Clarke?
Our City Manager can just take care of it.
City Attorney Walden: Just to reimburse him, that is all..
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Commissioner Young: How many days is that going to take away
from his work?
City Manager Neff: It 's 9 Saturdays from 1:00 to 5:00, and he . is
having his other help cover for him.
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Commissioner Young: That will be 36 hours then.
City Manager Neff: 36 hours, a dollar an hour.
Mayor Salvino: Is there anything else?
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Commissioner. Grammer: Yes, I talked with Mr. Loury today on the
Blue Cross Insurance. He wants to have a meeting with us , when
is that Wednesday?
Harry Loury: Wednesday at 4 :00.
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• 6 :00 and I would lit.
Commissioner Grammar: Wednesday at a to
talk with this man and get his nroposi.ti.on, because we hove
listeners to several others.
Commissioner Young: Isn' t. the one set un for 4:0r?
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Harry Loury: 11:00.
Commissioner Grammer : No, I thin!: there is another one set-
up for 4 :00 too, isn 't there?
Commissioner Young: Well. Mrs. Lallree came in my off.i.ce this
afternoon and said she was going to' call. you.
Harry Loury: That was one you already hart a meeting with.
Commissioner Grammer: That was one we have already had a meeting.
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Commissioner zenobia: Yes , you missed that one Ellis.
City Clerk Mary Thornhill: There is another one for Wednesday.
Commissioner Grammer: No, there i.s another one for Wednesday.
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City Clerk Mary Thornhill: One for Wednesday at 11 :00. That was
set up before he set his up.
Commissioner Grammer: Well if we got that one at 4:00 do ,you
suppose we could get in touch with this gentleman and have it-
• say 4:30 or maybe quarter to 5: 0n, Mr. Loury?
Harry Loury: I believe so. You can check tomorrow.
Commissioner Young: How about making it about 3:30?
commissioner Grammer: You think so? Well I will. leave It un to
Mr. Loury. lie is the one talking with him. But- I certainly think
that this company deserves the same chance as anybody else.
Barry Loury: Now there are two more interested in bidding. So I
will probably have two more Wednesdays if we are allowed to have
,• that long.
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t Commissioner Grammer: Well, I certainly think that everybody
deserves the right. to be heard. That's all, Mayor.
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Mayor Salvino: Commissioner Hill?
4' Commissioner Hill.: I 'd like to add to something that Commissioner
Grammer said. no you remember last year when we air-conditioned
the Senior Citizens Building? In 'that. l.etter that I read they
asked for a reverse-cycle. And I had quite an argument with a
few Commissioners around, and they said that it was just for air-
conditioning. But I found the:letter, and they were asking for
reverse-cycle for hest. Those Senior Citizens use that building.
very much, and they have no heat over there, and I would like for
you, or to instruct the City Manager to look into it and see wlat,
it could be heated for. , pricewise and economywise and so forth.
City Manager Neff: I beli.eve that can be taken care of i.n the
budget. I was looking at it this afternoon and I believe they
are talson care of.
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Commissioner Hill: They di.d ask for that and when' we nassed on
that letter to me the heat was included because they asked for T+-.
And I found that letter later. So I would like to have you l.00lk
a<_ into that.
_. City Manager Neff: Will do.
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Commissioner dill: That 's all I have.
Mayor Salvino: Commissioner Young?
Commissioner Young: Yes. I see most of the thi.nps I hnd on my
mind are already covered. There is one thing* else I would like
to do. At this time I would like to make a motion. t-o adopt snd
• pass a' resolution providing that any change work orders on the
Snnitary Sewer Project be subject to Commission snoroyal..
Commissioner Grammer: I 'll second that .
Commissioner 7.enobia: That 's every little change order, Ellis?
Or up to a certain. . .
Commissioner Young: Well frankly I don't know of any little
change orders that you tan have because I think that nny change
order would be substantial. But if as an example you have 2,0n0
feet of pipe at, Let 's take a figure of 41.00 a foot. i•Sell , i.f
it: was worked so that •you job out 400 feet at a time you wouldn' t
have to come before the Commission. And my intent is for the
change work orders to have to meet approval.. I 'm not talking
about something like if a man needs a 52.50 valve, or something
like that. That isrrIt what I hnd in mind. That wouldn't in my
opinion be a change work order.
City Manager Neff: I think that, Commissioner Young,. all of your
change orders will be in accordance with the unit price that you
have already agree upon with the contractor.
Commissioner Young: . There 's no question about that.
City Manager Neff: I think that this will take care of most of i.t.
Commissioner Young: With certain possible changes. For examole
• installation in alleys versus streets and so on, and so forth. I
frankly and personally feel that we should that we should analvze
that since we are the guardians, so to sneak, of the purse strings
of the City. And I think that we should look into it to maintain
things in balance.
. Mayor Salvino: Any more discussion? Cleric, call the roll.
The roil being called, the Commissioners voted as follows:
Grammer Yes
Hill Yes
• Young Yes
Zenobia Yes
Salvino Yes
Commissioner Young: A unanimous vote. Well, I 'm going to give
uo on that.
City Attorney Walden: One thing I omitted is a request from a
law firm in Fort Lauderdale asking the city to release a tax
sale certificate it sold in 1940 on lands no longer within the
city limits of the City of Dania. These requests come in from
time to time where the lands are outside the city limits i.t has
• been the custom of the City Commission to release the certificate
upon payment of 10 of the face amount due. So if you follow the
custom you will adopt a resolution releasing the 1940 tax sales
certificate number 10 on the W - of S half Section 28 Townshi.n 50
S range 42 E, upon payment of 10% of the face amount of the cer-
tificate.
Commissioner Young: That means without interest?
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• City Attorney Walden : Right. Just on the principal amount.
Commissioner Young: Well that has been the policy for a number
of years , so I move that we adopt a resolution recommended 1r,
the City Attorney.
• Commissioner Hill : I second i.t.
Mayor Salvino: Any more discussion? Clark, r_all the rol.l .
The roll being called , the Commissioners voted as follows:
Grammer Yes
Hill Yes
Young Yes.
Zenobia. Yes
Salvino Yes
• Commissioner Grammer: Well you are batting good Ellis. You got
two in a row.
Commissioner Young: I 'm through.
Mayor Salvino: Commissioner 7.,enobia.,'
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Commissioner Zenobia: Yes, before I get started, can everybody
in the back hear me? I have had a lot of complaints all week
that they can't hear in the back. At this time I would like to
make a motion that we go ahead and name our members to the Civil.
Service Board for the feasibility study. That 's two members of
• the city payroll and three outside interested ci.t.i.zens. And each
Commissioner name their own person to it.
Commissioner Grammer: I would like to say before you go on with
this. . .
• Commissioner Zenobia: Let's get a second first. Let 's have a
second before we have a discussion.
Commissioner Grammer: Ok, I 'll second it.
Mayor Salvino: Any discussion?
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Commissioner Grammer: Yes , before we go into this when, I don't
know who is going to . appoint who but say if we got a board with
somebody on the board I would like to see a different person rather
than have the same man serve on two or three different boards , I
know at one time we said we would have two employees and three
outsiders . More or less businessmen, doctors, lawyers, or whatever
they may be. But say if we have somebody on the Zoning Board I'd .
hate to see him put on another board and just keep putting the same
man on every board. I 'd like to see. . .I personally think we should
give different citizens a chance to serve on the board . So. . .
� . , Afayor Salvino: Mr. Grammer, you are a City Commissioner and you
belong on the Fire Department. That 's two different departments .
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Commissioner Grammer: No it ain't. That ain't a hoard . I don't
make any decisions on that, the Chief makes all the decisions on
that.
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Commissioner Young: All you do is hang up your key.
Commissioner Grammer: That's right.
Commissioner Zenobia: Put it in the form of an amendment.
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City Manager Neff: I 'd like to say something in re;*ards to this
if I may. I feel that possibly the Commi.ssi.on, rather than each
Commissioner appointing someone , I would suggest possibly that
they nominate a person for this hoard and this nerson would have
to he acceptable to the majority of the board . Thi.s is in the
• form of a suggestion.
Commissioner Zenobia: Well that 's usually the way it- is anyway.
Commissioner Grammer: Yes , that is understanded I thin'_,.
Commissioner Young: I will have to env this . I don't know whether
or not- anyone on the Commission is nominating someone that is cur-
rently serving on a board for example l.i,ke the contractor's or the
planning and zoning. However, I will say this in all fairness ,
that if someone should have the confidence in the reputation and
ability of a person who is currently serving on another hoard ,
• then he certainly or she certainly is entitled to their view just
the same as any of the rest of us are. And I don't think that i.f
a person is firmly convinced that he should appoint someone who
is serving on a part-time board, the Zoning Board for example meets
one day a month, I don't see why we should not then appoint them
just: because the person would be serving on another board. I think
• that something like this boils down to the realm of ni-cking someone
with courage and someone you feel has intelligence and someone who
is a good,able , willing and conscientious worker. And this is
something that I feel is much more important than whether or not-
they are serving on a part-time board.
• rommis$ioner Grammer: Well that I agree with you Mr. Young, but
I still think that each one of us Commissioners know more than one
good , competent person that can serve.
Commissioner Young: Now there is one other thinr in the motion
that I can't whole-heartedly agree with either. And that is that
• it would have to be two city employees and three who are not city
employees . Now let 's Look at it from an abject viewnoi.nt. The
city employees per •se might- be a little more biased than a business-
man or someone who would not be directly affected by it. By that
I mean this , that' there is a •possibility, although It is not a
probability, but there is a possibility that a city employee would
be more interested in any potential that might accrue to him or to
his subordinates. So frankly I don't think that it should be re-
stricted to two city employees and three non-city employees. I
think that. if you 'and`.the •rest of us felt that five outsiders
should be on the board I feel. that the five outsiders should serve
on the board.
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Commissioner Grammer; I 'm going to agree with you on that too , but
going back as you say, like one board meets once a month so we
could appoint them to another. So we could go a little further back
we only are supposed to meet two nights a month, we could all annoi.nt
ourselves, if you want to narrow it down to that. But that is why
• I say I think it should be someone different than there is on any
board , the Commission board and all. Because t`-is is going to '
take a little time and the ones who are on the Zoning Board are
already donating time to the city and they don't get paid for it.
And they won't get paid for this. So instead of throwing the
burden on all five citizens or six citizens let's just stretch it,
out among the whole public,.- . That 's what I think.
Commissioner Young: Ide11 I feel that that is a matter of personal.
choice.
Commissioner Grammer: Well that's what I said. That's my personal `
choice.
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Commissioner Zenobia: Going* bacls to the original motion , Mr.
Young , I made it with two cit-y employees for the si.mnla reason
the Civil Service i.s to protect the ci.iy employee and I think
they should have a voice in it.
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Commissioner Young: Well this is just n feasibility groan.
Commissioner Zenobia: Well I think they should have a voice
in studying it also.
Commissioner Grammer: Well that' s what I think, I 'm agreeing*
with Mr. Zenobia ,on this hoard I think that 's when you should
have your two city employees , more- so than after this board is
established.
Commissioner Young: I would feel that it would work i.n reverse.
That 's is your outside i.mpartial . . . we all have different opinions .
That 's the reason we have five of us here instead of: one. And I
think that during the interim period while they are studying and
checking into things that a person would have. . . .
Commissioner Grammer: Well if we can settle this. . .
Commissioner Young: I have the floor. So again, I will have
to say that I thint: that it would come within the realm of each
indi.vi.dual commissioner to appoint whoever he feels would con-
scientiously serve.
Commi.ssi.onerZonobia: T•loll I think 5 is plenty. You get into 7,
10, or something li.l:o that and you are going to have a lot of
haggl.ittg going on and you wi.11 never get Civil Service.
Commissioner Young: Clarke, to formally :set •un this' thing there
are a few things I believe that have to be taken care of don't
they?
0 City Attorney Walden: Correct. As I understood , the board that
you are talking about, Ellis is one that designed primarily for
the preliminary study of deciding or at least making a recommen-
dation as to whether you want Civil Service.
Commissioner Young: Yes , but it is referred to as a Board.
City Attorney Walden: Oh yes , .I mean as to the number and so
forth?
commissioner Young: No, what I mean, under the Charter don't we
have certain things that we have to do when the hoard is set_ un?
Or wi.l.l a simple 'motion do it?
r.ity Attorney Walden: No, a simple motion would do it. You have
a right under the charter "to set- up advisory boards , which is what
I look on this board as being..
Commissioner Young: Then it" wouldn't even take n resolution?
City Attorney Walden: I'd do it by resolution, but it is just a
resolut-ion appointing the members and suggesting that they make
their studies and report back to you their recommendations .
Commissioner Young: And it also,should include their length of
service, in other words , whetherJt is one year or six months.
Commissioner Zenobia: Well that was all included in the first
motion, Ellis. It stated a resolution and we said at .the will of
the Commissioners.
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Commissioner Young: Well, that isn' t tonight.
Commissioner Zonohia: Al-right I will stat-r. it over again. I wi.11.
make a motion to instruct the City Attorney to draw un a resolution
to set un a five-man advisory board to study the fnnnihility of
Civil Service for the City of Dania , to serve nt. the will of the
City Commission. Two members of the hoard will. he. City emnlovees .
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• not Department: Heads , and three members of the interesed citizens
of Dania.
City Attorney Walden: Let me nsl. you this . do the Commissioners
have in mind proposing a slate or are you going to do as you have
customari}y done on the 7oni.ng Board, each commissioner suggest
one of his own.
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Commissioner Zenobia: Each Commi.ssi:oner naming his own nerson.
City Attorney Walden: Well then won't this nose a Drobl.em when
you say two have got to be city employees and three non-city.
• Commissioner Zenobia: We have, discussed this before we came un.
City Attorney Walden: You are in agreement then who is going to
apnoi.nt who?
Commissioner zenobia: We have discussed who was going to annoint
• outsiders and who was going to apnoi.nt city emnl.oyees .
Commissioner Grammer: I think that is taken care of, unless some-
body changes their mi.nd . along the way before we have a chance to
vote. I 'll second whatever Carl said .
• Commissioner Zenobia: How about reading that second paragranh
back?
City Attorney Walden: May I request that each Commissioner suggest
his nominee whoever that may be. Is that all. you have to do on it?
• Commissioner Zenobia: Yes, we can start it on the regular rol.1 cal.l..
Commissioner Young: Well why don't you propose to the Commission
as to their, you know go in alphabetical order as to Qho their
recommendation would be because that has to be in the resolution
too.
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City Attorney Walden: It would be, and I am a little concerned
unless you are basically in agreement as to , if the last commis-
sioner wants to name somebody who is a city employee and two have
already been named you are going to have a problem on your hands.
• Commissioner Grammer: , Well we will just have to. . . . .
City Attorney Walden: Why don't you just suggest your five and
see if everybody is in agreement on it.
Commissioner Grammer: Well you three, now we talked this over.
you are going to appoint outs i.ders ,right?
Mayor Salvino: Yes.
Commissioner Grammer: You are going to appoint an outsider, Vera?
• Commissioner Hill.: Yes .
Commissioner Grammer: You, Ellis?
Commissioner Young: I 'm going to appoint someone from Broward
County who is not a city employee.
Commissioner Zenobia: From Dania? You said someone from Broward
County.
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® Commissioner Young: Well to be honest with you there is no
restriction in there that they have to be from Dania.
Commissioner Zenobia: He has to be a member of the city. I
said interested citizen of Dania, didn't I?
• City Clerk Mary Thornhill: Interested ci.tizan of Dania.
Commissioner Zenobia: , Oh Ellis , stop pulling my log tonight.
It's too hot up here.
Commissioner Grammer: Carl, look, I personally would Like to
• get the vote on the. . .
City Clerk Mary Thornhill.: Do you want a vote on the resolution
first Clarke, and then have them name the. . .
Commissioner Zenobia: Can we name the names at the some time?
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City Attorney Walden: You can put them al.1. in the same one big
resolution if you are in agreement.
Commissioner Hill: Well wait, do we have two city employees
among us?
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Commissioner Grammer: Yes , I 'm going to appoint one.
Mayor Salvino: Do you want a roll call. vote?
Commissioner Grammer: Go ahead , I'll start. We want to appoint
• them first.
Mayor Salvino: Oh you want to appoint them first? Mr. Grammer.
Commissioner Grammer: I 'm going to appoint Patrolman Mike Ricci..
• Mayor Salvino: Commissioner Hill.
Commissioner Hill: I 'm going to appoint Mrs. Alfred Pion.
Mayor Salvino: Commissioner Young.
• Commi.ssi.oner Young: My appointment is Charlie Dirtuzzio.
Mayor Salvino: Commissioner Zenobia.
Commissioner Zenobia: Lieutenant. Egli.nas from the Fire Denartment .
• Mayor Salvino: Mine is Nick M.Mauro.
City Attorney Walden: Is this agreeable that the resolution read
that these five be appointed as an advisory board to serve at the
pleasure of the Commission and to report back from time to time
with recommendations on Civil Service?
Commissioner Young: Should there be a time li.mi.t, on that Clarke?
Commissioner Grammer: Until the board is set uD.
City Attorney Walden: I think that they ought to report back to
• you within three months or so. Why don't you call the roll on
that one Mayor?
Mayor Salvino: Clerk, call. the roll.
a The roll being called, the Commissioners voted as follows :
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. Commissioner Grammer: What is this vote for, all these five men?
r' City Clerk Mary Thornhill: You are voting on the resolution and
the five men.
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Commissioner Grammer: we are voting on all five men a* one rime.
Commissioner Hill: Pour men and one woman.
Commissioner Grammer: Lxcuse me. I'll. have to say Yes .
Grammer Yes
Hill Yes
Young Yes
Zenobia Yes
Salvino Yes
Commissioner Zenobia: It looks like all. the boards we have have
one woman on them now.
Commissioner Hill: That's the idea.
Mayor Salvino: Commissioner' Zenobia have you anything; else?
commissioner Zenobia: Yes , I forgot to put something in. I would
like to also make a motion that Clarke Walden be the advisor to
this group, the legal advisor. I think they need, well, I just
want to make sure. Thev need an advisor.
City Attorney Walden: I will do that.
Commissioner Young: I don't think we even need a motion on that.
Commissioner Zenobia: Do you need a motion on that Clarke?
• City Attorney �dalden: No.
Commissioner Zenobia: Alright . Alright, Mr. Neff before you said
you spoke to the State Road Department and they said that Dixie
Crossover is out. What can we do to get it going? Did they say?
City Manager Neff: No, that information was not imparted to me.
They said that it was back at the initial point. So whatever
action is necessary to start proceedings, you will have to start
at that point again.
Commissioner Young: What was the initial point? The four-lane
• road, the two-lane road? The inverted "S" at the corner?
City Manager Neff: This I don't know.
Commissioner Grammer: This goes back to the statement I made I
think it was last Commission meeting. Mr. Tarpley is here tonight.
Ile dan verify this. Me and him spent: two or three hours at the
State Road Department to try to find out why they said the mans ,
it was the engineers fault , and this and that. And we went to
every office up there looking for this plan for the State Road
Department, and I haven' t seen one yet.. Thee told me it was un
there and they never did show i.t to us disi they Mr. Tarpley. So
.• I don't think there is even a plan to start with.
Commissioner Zenobia: Well I would like to ask the City Manager
to contact the State Road Department and the County Commission
again and find out what we can do to get it going. This has been
going on for a couple years .
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Virgil Tarpley: I 'll tell you what you can do.
Commissioner Zenobia: well that isn't enough Virgil.
Virgil Tarpley: The Ci.ty of Hollywood has got to dedicate the
• right of way in order for you to cross that bridge over there .
That's your first step.
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® Commissioner Zenobia: Well I 'll. let the City lfnnager check into
that for me.
City Attorney Walden: Let me say this . as a point of information
on that: particular project , that would be Dixie Itigr+wny. Mr. "hi.l -
pot:t was not working for the City but however he was the ent*ineer.
• for the County and State Road Department. So if you are going to '
have a menting in the next day or so with hi.m I think as rnginner
of the Road Department he can give you some information on it. I
think he can on that particular one without acting for us.
Commissi.oner Grammer: I would l.i.ke to say this. If t' is is going
• to drawn out like this has been for a period of three years we got
550 ,000 marked in there for drainage. I would like to see us use
that for drainage somewhere else. I think there is plenty of
drainage in this city that needs to be done. We are just carrying
that year after year for drainage for the Dixie Highway. Arid we
could unleash that money for drainage in the city in other places. .
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Commissioner Hill: Well. let 's give this City Manager One more
chance.
Commissioner Zcnohi.a: Thnt ' s what I would li.1-e for him to do.
• Commissioner Hill: And if he can't we will spend the money.
Commissioner Grammer: I agree with you there.
Commissioner Zenobia: One other thing. The newspapers tonight
said that I said something about the cost of water. I believe
• Mr. Neff is the one that checked into that. I would like Mr.
Neff to give the report ,on that, the water we are giving away.
City Manager Neff: Commissioner Zenobia, in regards to the
statement that Mr, Tarpley made at the Commission meeting two
weeks ago. His statement was , and at that time I had no facts
• and could not answer him. ' The statement was mnde that. the City
is losing a million gallons of water each month.
Mr. Virgil Tarpley: , No, I didn't make that statement-.
• City Manager Neff: Well. I have a transcript of the tape here
Mr. Tarpley. I am not going to get into an argument with you.
But I have a transcript of what you said. And also that, the City
was donating our water plant about one month out of the year.
Virgil Tarpley: That I dial say.
• City Manager Neff: Now, I checked this out at the Commissions
request and find that there was a meter installed by the former
City Manager approximately three months ago. Very close to the
Fifteenth of October. I read the meter the day before yesterday,
or Friday, the usage from this pariod of time, which was anproxi-
mately three months , is 33,000 gallons. Now we estimated too that
• the slight usage, or slight amount that is used in the other parts
would make it approximately 36 ,000 gallons of water over a neri.orl
of three months . This boils down to about 12,000 gallons of water
ner month. At a retail cost of what we are charging the neonle of
Dania this would amount to only ;4. 50 a month. Total water *hat
is used during the month of January for the whole city iq aooroxi.
• mately 25,000, 000 (twenty-five mil-lion) gallons. So there is quite
a variance, Mr. Tarpley, in what your statement was and actual fart.
I just want to set: the racord straight. Instead of us losing a
months revenue per year, vahichi, iaoul.d-amount to about fi1.n.000 we
were losing about t4 .50 a month. And I believe that this is a goorl
public relation. I 1-hi.n!c it has been going on for some time and
• I certainly don't recommend stopping.
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® Virgil Tarpley: That 's not the end of it. That 's only one. lcnk.
There is others over here on the west side of: town. There are
houses over there ghat don't even have meters on them.
City Manager Neff: : Those are being collected for. They are not
metered . There are 60 accounts . They are unmetered , b'ut ttlose
® people all. pay a flat. fee. This was also estnhlished some time
ago, even when you were on the Commission, Mr. Tnrnl.cy.
Virgil Tarpley: But I say you are only reading off one l.en. '% You
are only reading off one . That is not a good check, a two week
check. During the winter. months now. . . .
City Manager Neff: It was a three month check, Mr. Tarpley.
Virgil Tarpley: Well you .are still in the winter months now, and
you don't use near a.a much water in the wintertime as you do in
• the summertime, because you water your lawn.
Commissioner Grammer: Yes, but. Virgil., you know as well as I do
that people every day are getting their own water especially in
the 7lhi.ppen Road area. Thai: they will stop getting this water and
instead of going up it should he going down. I say this our City
• Manager has only been here a couple of. weeks . . .
Virgil Tarpley: Wait until I finish. .
Commissioner Grammer: Now wait a minute. You said somethi.nr that
he should be this or that or we should. You served up here prac-
tically three years Virgil and those meters were over there the same
as when you were up here as they are now.
Virgil Tarpley: We were working on that Mr. Grammer if you remem-
ber. We were working on that, and we had been working on that for
the last year. The reason I brought that up is because we are in
• our Sewer Program now and our water bill is going to increase over
the year and I can't see why our water bills should increase when
these people are given water.
Commissioner Grammer: Well that is not going to affect the sewers
because the sewers don't go over there, and even if they dirt go
• over there they are charged so much per house and wi.th an extra
bathroom it is not by the amount of water they use. You have got
to face the facts, the man has been here what, two weeks. And he
knows how many meters are over there. I will have to go on behalf
of him. The man is at least checking, so you can't expect for him
in a couple of weeks to go cut all them meters off and nut them in
for something we have been letting, go on here in the city for fif-
teen years.
Virgil Tarpley: Don't say "We" because we haven't been up here
that long.
7 ' Commissioner Grammer: Well I am sneaking of the Commissioners.
, . ' Whether you was up here or I was up here they were still Commis-
sioners , and they have let this go on.
Virgil Tarpley: I think it is something to look into and then do
something.
Commissioner Grammer: Well the man is checking. He said there
was rD of them over there so the man had to check, I mean he came
up with a figure.
Virgil Tarpley: Well the way the Lauderdale Paper carried it I
was blasting the Commission. I wasn't blasti.ng the Commission. I
was just saying that it was something to look into because there is
water going out.
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• City Manager Neff: Well thle onl.v reason I took issue to +-his , I
investigated . I think that when someone makes a stntement thnt
we are giving away a months revenue out of our water department ,
then I think that the facts should be set straight. We are not.
we are giving away maybe �50 worth a year. Not 41n,nno, Mr. Tnrplev.
• Virgil Tarpl.ey: Well this is more than 55n.nn a year, I know that..
You haven't had a true check, when Powell Brothers drives uo there
every morning and fills up a truck., . .
Commissioner Young: Mr. Mayor. . .
• Commissioner Zenohia: well Powell. Brothers should be haying for it.
I have to pay for water when I get it in the truck.
Commissioner Young: Mr. Mayor can we adjourn the meeting.
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There being no further business on the agenda, the meeting adjourned .
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}lacy 7hornhil I.
City Clerk-Auditor
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• •rant Salvino
Mayor-Commissioner
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