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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2009-07-23 Airport Advisory Board meeting minutes w MINUTES OF MEETING AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD THURSDAY, JULY 23, 2009 — 7:00 p.m. 1. Call to Order Jay Field called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. 2. Roll Call Members Present: Jay Field Linda Sacco Rae Sandler Sulie Spencer Bob Mikes Daniel Joe Payne Jocelyn Lummis Terry Hale-Hicks Members Absent: Dick Sokol (excused) Betty Sokol (excused) Clive Taylor (excused) Boisey N. Waiters (excused) Beulah Lair(excused) Mike Grady (unexcused) 3. Approval of June 25, 2009 Minutes Jay Field motioned to amend and correct the minutes of section; 4.4 Pilot Mitigation Program, as follows: Replace "He also noted the FAA cannot do anything until they come to the City," "He also noted Broward County cannot do anything until they come to the City." Also to be corrected: "Jocelyn Lummis noted that her intent as a citizen of Broward County is to say that the South runway is in abysmal violation of public trust. She noted that she's not saying no to the airport expansion because that is her optic as well but the south runway is a front of public trust and it will cost the citizens of Broward County billions of dollars." To be corrected as follows: "Jocelyn Lummis noted that her intent as a citizen of Broward County is to say that the South runway is in abysmal violation of public trust by the Broward County Commissioners. It's not no to any airport any expansion, because that is her optic, but the south runway is the worst possible option Jocelyn Lummis believes that there are better options that are less costly and are more efficient, and are much more environmentally and community friendly that the south runway." Bob Mikes motioned to correct the minutes; seconded by Jocelyn Lummis. The motion carried unanimously. Joe Payne motioned to approve the corrected minutes; seconded by Rae Sandler. The motion carried unanimously. 4. Presentation and Sub Committee Reports: 4.1 Discussion of Runway Project, Master Plan Update and Part 150 Project, EIS Update. Task Force Update h. Jay Field noted Ft. Lauderdale Airport Director, Kent George canceled his attendance due to scheduling conflicts. Jay Field said that Kent George did offer to have an observer representative attend the scheduled meeting. He also noted to Kent George that the Airport Advisory Board was very interested to hear from him personally, and that the committee wanted to make recommendations to the City Commission. Jay Field noted that he hoped to have Kent George attend the August meeting, and wishes not to have an observer. Bob Mikes advised Jay Field to send correspondence to Bertha Henry regarding letters of invitation, in order to include her in the loop. Joe Payne asked the committee to ask Kent George to please advise the committee when and if he (Kent George) can attend the meeting of the Airport Advisory Board. Jay Field noted that Kent George will be having a discussion with the City Commission on August 4, 2009 regarding airport matters. Jocelyn Lummis noted that she thought the Mitigation Plan that everyone admitted to the plan was to make recommendations if we agree to get the sound proofing and as citizens we do not have to sign an Avigational Easement, because that runs with the land and devalues the property. Jocelyn Lummis also noted that when the insulation in the sound reduction homes breaks down and windows need re-caulking it should be covered by the city and that some type of measurements should be in place. Jay Field noted that the Mitigation plan has not yet been approved. He noted that Broward County is trying the Pilot Program for sound reduction, and the Mitigation Program will come later. Jay Field stated as an example, for a recommendation that everyone can sign off on the Avigational Easement to participate. Bob Mikes noted the Pilot Program and the Mitigation Program are two separate entities and if you do sign an Avigational Easement prior to having full knowledge of what the full Avigation Program is it could be a problem. Bob Mikes noted Broward County Manager Bertha Henry stated that anybody that enters the Pilot Mitigation Program, that is not tied to the Interlocal Agreement, which are people in the pre expected noise contour affected by the south runway,but the people who are currently qualified to the noise impacts for certain noise levels, so that will be a much smaller group of people. Bob Mikes noted the Broward County Manager said that will not exclude anybody for taking part in the full Mitigation Program. He advised that the committee should advocate that anybody entering the Pilot Program should have no commitments on them and that will include the Avigational Easement or anything else that excludes them on any other provisions of the full Mitigation Program Plan that's required by the south runway. Joe Payne noted that if they test the Mitigation Program it serves as a guinea pig. It then may give us the information we need to put into the real mitigation. Minutes of Meeting 2 Airport Advisory Board July 23,2009—7:00 p.m. Linda Sacco noted that we should focus on the science of the construction and how the sound reduction program will affect the houses instead of getting into the people. Jay Field noted Broward County drafted a contract stating that anybody that partakes on the Pilot Program will not be concluded from any further mitigation offered down the road. Bob Mikes noted sound proofing is just a test because there are going to be a number of homes that it is going to be appropriate for. Unfortunately, a lot of homeowners may not want to live in soundproof homes. Joe Payne questioned if we support the Pilot Program in anyway is that an does value that add Yn q PP g Y or is a loss for the community: He also asked what are the causes and effects? Jay Field noted the windows, doors, air conditioning will be upgraded, along with other technical accessories to upgrade sound reduction. He also noted that in some cases they are making improvements that will last and make the houses worth more. Bob Mikes noted that we are at the classic 50/50 chance and advised that we need to be ready for the second option. Bob Mikes advised that he listened to the discussion of the May meeting on TV and some of the votes that were on our side seemed more committed to the south runway now more than they were then. Bob Mikes noted the attorneys are working to do their part and .noted that the attorneys stated that there is a 50/50 chance of the south runway to happening. Jocelyn Lummis questioned if we really want to sound proof and spend the money to sound proof? She noted that in the Melaleuca Gardens homes section, the first two rows of homes will be bulldozed no matter how much they sound proof the homes. Joe Payne questioned if the homes are sound proofed, will Broward County buy the homes rather than bulldoze them or will Broward County respond by saying we soundproofed it, it's yours. Joe Payne noted that the pollution is also a problem. Bob Mikes said that is why we need to come up with a resolution, and the city needs to come up with a policy. He noted the baseline health study dating back 20 years ago when the airport used 727 stage I & II the noise contours went, out to Sheridan Street and the citizens did not have to worry so much about air pollution and health hazards. Bob Mikes noted he pushed for a baseline health study because of the people working in the everglades that had cancer. He noted there is already a problem because of the generators pollution from FP&L. Jocelyn Lummis noted it is hard to show cancer clusters. She agrees that this is a health hazard. Jocelyn Lummis questioned what planes are landing on a 9,000 ft. runway. She questioned planes being more efficient and need shorter runways; they do not need a 9,000 ft. elevated runway? Jocelyn Lummis stated that only the dirtiest planes will use this runway. Bob Mikes said that it is not the dirtiest; it is the amount of fuel they generate. He noted that although they are cleaner they put out the same amount of discharge on take off as a 747. Minutes of Meeting 3 Airport Advisory Board July 23,2009—7:00 p.m. l Linda Sacco noted that in the August 4, 2009 discussion the committee could come up with recommendations. Bob Mikes noted The Broward County Manager stated that she has no intentions of excluding any of the people who enter the Pilot Program from any options available. Rae Sandler noted Broward County has not yet come up with a stone clad Pilot Mitigation Program; they are still working on the contract. Terry Hale-Hicks advised that she randomly spoke with Dania Beach residents with concerns about values of homes depreciating, health environmental concerns, and noise atmospheric, responsible management growth and freight predictions. Most residents seem to disagree and do not agree with the south runway. Terry Hale-Hicks noted that her home is older and believes that it is already soundproofed. She noted that could be the quality of the homes. Bob Mikes noted he wanted the short runway because it would have limited the size of the aircraft which would have kept Davie on the fight. Bob Mikes noted Davie wanted the diagonal runway, which would have made Melaleuca Gardens a more viable neighborhood. He advised that this expansion will be devastating to Dania Beach. Bob Mikes noted according to the Interlocal Agreement this runway is supposed to be for departure only. Joe Payne noted that three hotels are being built here in the City of Dania Beach, and he feels that there is a reason for them being built here. Bob Mikes noted that the committee needs to come up with a statement to the city regarding the Pilot Program and the final Mitigation Program. Jocelyn Lummis questioned the Pilot Noise Mitigation. What can it possibly accomplish as far as noise, and whether sound is less because the sound and noise contours are going to be so different from the south runway, and the amount of noise on the elevated runway? She questioned if they are mitigating the noise, and should that have already been done. Joe Payne asked was the Noise Mitigation based on the worst case scenario; winds from the north or heavy cloud coverage? Bob Mikes noted that ideally it would be nice of we could go immediately into the final program and have the votes on the mitigation program, and have the votes on Broward County Commission to do that. There are uncertain votes on the county commission on what to do and how far to go. Bob Mikes believes that this mitigation program is half political and advised to let them do it. Jocelyn Lummis noted that if we do not let them do it, then we are the ones that look bad; but if we let them do it then everything is all good. Minutes of Meeting 4 Airport Advisory Board July 23,2009—7:00 p.m. Joe Payne questioned what value was added if Broward County did do it, because how is that going to work? Rae Sandler noted Broward County is coming out with the Pilot Mitigation Program that they want to start; but on the other hand, they don't really have a Part 150 because they cannot determine what the noise contours are until the runway is up and running. Jay Field noted that he addressed the Broward County Commissioners regarding the Pilot Program and said that they should not ask citizens to live how they themselves would not want to live. Sulie Spencer stated that people did not move to Florida to stay inside their soundproofed homes. The Airport Advisory Board recommended that any homeowners that opt in the Pilot Program are not excluded, and do not lose any rights based on their participation in the final mitigation program. 4.2 Selection of Chair and Vice Chair Bob Mikes motioned to appoint Jay Field as Chairman; seconded by Sulie Spencer the motioned carried unanimously. Nominations for Vice Chair: Linda Sacco noted that she would like to be vice chair because she has lived in Dania Beach, outside the mitigation area for about 17 years and is very interested in the project. She believes that it is mostly political and she does not like to see communities squashed. She thinks that it is unfair that the person at-large from her homeowners association, and a lot of people in her community do not believe that the expansion is going to happen. We should be aware of what is going on and she tries to communicate that to her neighbors. Linda Sacco attend meetings and she thinks that it is violently important that we keep up with what is going on, and she wants to make sure that people are not being treated unfair. Jocelyn Lummis noted that she is also very interested in being vice chair. She stated that we need someone that can occasionally sit down with individuals in the commission and have a discussion. She also stated that we have a sunshine law which states that we can individually meet one person at a time. The board agreed that Linda Sacco and Jocelyn Lummis are both fine candidates for Vice Chair and agreed to have the by- laws amended at the next meeting. Joe Payne questioned if we have two Vice Chairs, how do we divide the labor? Rae Sandler motioned to continue the vote for Vice Chair until the next meeting, seconded by Bob Mikes. The motioned carried unanimously. Minutes of Meeting 5 Airport Advisory Board July 23,2009—7:00 p.m. Christopher Johnston who resides a 745 N.W. 12 Avenue, noted that the noise contours from arrivals will not be impacted as far as how the approach is flown in a parallel manner, as opposed to departures which are flown from the north runway turned out at 20 degrees to the North, and the South runway will be 20 degrees to the south, so there will be no conflict. Christopher Johnston advised that he is not a representative of what the true noise patterns will be. He noted that departures to the east of John U. Lloyd will benefit and that 80 percent of the arrivals will be to the east. Christopher noted that the properties that will be impacted the most on arrivals are the properties boarding Griffin Road, two blocks to the north off Griffin Road that are directly under the arrival path. He noted that the runway being the shorter of the two runways, in normal practice the shorter runway is used for arrivals, so there will be a shift in traffic to the south runway as opposed to the ones that are coming along 595. Christopher Johnston noted that the north runway is used for heavy takeoffs and that there will be a shift in traffic. Bob Mikes questioned what the airlines think of the growth because they must have a much better idea of their business projections. Christopher Johnston noted senior management at the airport turns over so quickly, and unless you have a leader most managers are in for the short term. Christopher Johnston stated engineers are in favor of the expansion due to traffic operations and delays. He advised that the board should get in touch with Virginia Lang or Mike McKeever from American Airlines pilot department to find out the process. 4.3 Noise Abatement Committee Meeting Discussion No discussion. 4.4 Presentation of any Member Runup Logs No discussion. 5. New Business No new business. 6. Adiournment Jay Field adjourned the meeting at 8:45 p.m. AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD Jay Field, Chairperson Approved: Minutes of Meeting 6 Airport Advisory Board July 23,2009—7:00 p.m.